Massachusetts: Green Light Gay Marriage.

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Massachusetts: Green Light Gay Marriage.
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Tue, 11-18-2003 - 1:11pm

We've debated this subject at length before, therefore I'll post the link to the old discussion. The news though is new about the ruling in Mass.


I imagine they'll be a great deal of opposition in Mass. because of the many RC's in the state, JMO.


http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-elinthenews&msg=5041.1


Green Light For Gay Marriage.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/11/national/printable583048.shtml



Massachusetts' highest court ruled 4-3 Tuesday that the state's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional and gave lawmakers 180 days to fix the problem.

"Whether and whom to marry, how to express sexual intimacy, and whether and how to establish a family — these are among the most basic of every individual's liberty and due process rights," the majority opinion said. "And central to personal freedom and security is the assurance that the laws will apply equally to persons in similar situations."

The Supreme Judicial Court left the details of the same-sex marriage issue to the Legislature. Advocates said the case took a significant step beyond the 1999 Vermont Supreme Court decision that led to civil unions in that state.

Attorney Mary Bonauto, who represented the seven gay couples who sued the state, said the only task assigned to the Legislature is to come up with changes in the law that will allow gay couples to marry at the end of the 180-day period.

Vermont-style civil unions would not be enough, she said, because that would fall short of marriage. A constitutional ban on gay marriage could not be enacted in Massachusetts until 2006 because it takes several years to change the state's constitution.

"This is a very good day for gay and lesbian families in Massachusetts and throughout the country," Bonauto said.

But the issue may find a hostile audience in the Massachusetts Legislature, which has been considering a constitutional amendment that would legally define a marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The state's powerful Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran of Boston, has endorsed this proposal.

And Republican Gov. Mitt Romney criticized the court ruling, saying: "Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution that makes that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to nontraditional couples, but marriage is a special institution that should be reserved for a man and a woman."

A key group of state lawmakers also has recently been working behind the scenes to craft civil union legislation similar to the law passed in Vermont.

The court's decision drew further mixed reaction.

A Boston lawyer said the justices are telling state lawmakers what they want them to do, and she doubts the lawmakers would defy the court.

But a Massachusetts law student isn't so sure. She says she's worried state lawmakers will "try to weasel out of it somehow."

A former Boston mayor and U.S. ambassador to the Vatican criticized the ruling. Ray Flynn said the ruling is a "major setback for the sacred institution of marriage as the relationship between one man and one woman."

Gay and lesbian advocates have been cheered by a series of advances this year, including a U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down anti-sodomy laws, the ordination of an openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, and a Canadian appeals court ruling that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. Belgium and the Netherlands also have legalized gay marriage.

In addition to Vermont, courts in Hawaii and Alaska have previously ruled that the states did not have a right to deny marriage to gay couples. In those two states, the decisions were followed by the adoption of constitutional amendments limiting marriage to heterosexual couples. No American court has ordered the issuance of a marriage license — a privilege reserved for heterosexual couples.

"The question is whether the Massachusetts court is able and willing to recognize a new right for gays based upon the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June that outlawed sodomy laws in Texas and elsewhere," reports CBS News Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen. "If Massachusetts recognizes such a right, other states might too, and there is bound to be a huge legal fight that would bring this particular issue right back before the justices."

According to a poll examining attitudes about homosexuality, opposition to gay marriage has grown since midsummer, with 32 percent favoring it and 59 percent opposing it. In July, 53 percent said they opposed gay marriage.

The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press survey reinforced the finding that religious attitudes sharply affect feelings on gays and gay behavior. Those with a high level of religious commitment oppose gay marriage by 80 percent to 12 percent.

But despite the opposition to gay marriage, the survey found the public has moved toward widespread opposition against discrimination generally against homosexuals.

The U.S. House is currently considering a constitutional ban on gay marriage. President George W. Bush, although he believes marriage should be defined as a union between one man and one woman, recently said that a constitutional amendment is not yet necessary.

The Massachusetts case began in 2001, when seven gay couples went to their city and town halls to obtain marriage licenses. All were denied, leading them to sue the state Department of Public Health, which administers the state's marriage laws.

A judge threw out the case in 2002, ruling that nothing in state law gives gay couples the right to marry. The couples appealed to the Supreme Judicial Court.

The plaintiffs argued that barring them from marrying a partner of the same sex denied them access to an intrinsic human experience and violated basic constitutional rights.

The state Attorney General's office, which defended the Department of Public Health, argued that neither state law nor its constitution created a right to same-sex marriage. The state also said any decision to extend marriage to same-sex partners should be made by elected lawmakers, not the courts.

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Registered: 03-23-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 11:13am

Actually, what I would say is that it is as 'morally right' as any couple who truly love each other.


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Registered: 11-27-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 11:31am
i think that if a person is happy with a person of the same sex they should be allowed to get marry. but on the other hand the law is the law and sometimes the law don't protect everyone. i feel that if the two gay people are in love what the law has to do with it?
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Registered: 07-21-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 11:45am
My opinion as a law student...

I 100% agree.

When the positive law surpasses the natural law, us little people have nothing to base our rights on but the mercy of our benevolent dictator.

"We must recognize that what the Massachusetts court has done is not preserve liberty but merely substitute its own moral code for that of the people. This damage is not merely inflicted on government, trampling as it does the so-called "separation of powers." It does much worse, for when judges erode the power of the people's representatives to set society's moral compass, they likewise undercut the authority of parents, schools and other community groups to set the standards they would like to see their children and fellow citizens live by. Indeed, it is a frontal assault on community values writ large."

By Alan Charles Raul, Washington Post

"The oft-repeated lie that "we can't legislate morality" has finally born its poisonous fruit. Of course we can legislate morality. We always have. We must. Try looking at the criminal code of any state or the federal system and tell me it isn't based on morality. Look further into our civil law and try to deny that much, if not most, of tort law and contract law, not to mention property law, are rooted in our traditional (Biblical) moral beliefs."

David Limbaugh

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Registered: 05-13-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 12:22pm
Same sex marriage and gay rights are finally making progress. It is sad in this day and age that important issues like these even need to be debated. All Americans the same rights and protection, regardless of race, religion, gender, etc. Why are so many people scared of gays? Have they met any gay people? Do they have gay friends? Is Ellen DeGeneres scary, how about Harvey Fienstein? Elton John? George Michael? Rosie O'Donnell? You will let these people into your homes to entertain you, yet you do not believe they deserve the same rights you have? What will happen if gay marriage was legal in the US? What would be the problem? It is legal in Canada, yet I hear of no problems there. What does religion have to do with marriage anyway? Marriage is about a commitment, legally and emotionally. Marriage is not about religion. Marriage allows a couple all the legal protections a couple needs, in life and death. Right now, many hospitals won't even let a partner into a hospital room (family only). What about life insurance, property, a will, children, etc. Anyone who thinks you should deny someone of marriage, gay or straight, should walk a day in a loving gay person's shoes.
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Registered: 03-18-2000
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 12:29pm





I agree with you.


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Registered: 04-16-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 3:31pm
love is love, no matter the gender, race, age, whatever. if a man and a woman are allowed to love each other, and be committed to each other, then why can't a woman and a woman or a man and a man be allowed to express those same sentiments?
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Registered: 05-27-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 4:30pm
Great post Thank you!
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Registered: 05-27-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 4:36pm
Who are we to deciede what is morally right or wrong? I honestly never understood the debate on this subject. It two consenting adults want to get married there should be no roadblocks. No discussion of morally correct and no one in the goverment should be making that choice. This is supposed to be America. Shouldn't GETTING MARRIED BE A GIVEN???? A commitment between two people that love each other is a wonderful thing. Let's honor that.
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Registered: 12-06-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 10:25pm
Hi I am a 16 yr. old African American female and as a teenager I would just like to say I think it's important to allow EVERYONE equal rights just like the US Constitution said we are supposed to have. My mother and father have always told me that you can't help or control who you love and that whoever it may be you should embrace and celebrate it, not be forced to hide it or defend it. Being bisexual I know that it's hard to come out and have everyone judge you and I think that what these seven couples did was excellent, as a nation we should applaud and commend them, they are just tying to live their lives like everyone else, why should they have to fight so hard to do so? I'm not really sure if marriage is a right or a privilege but I say if a person is not being malicious or harmful to you why treat them that way. Ever heard of the expression treat others as you wish to be treated?
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Registered: 12-04-2003
Sat, 12-06-2003 - 11:01pm
All I'd like to know for people who say being homosexual is a choice...why would someone who lives in a world with such intolerant people CHOOSE a lifestyle where they could possibly be beaten, ridiculed and/or killed every day? Gay is such an ironic term to describe homosexuals, since the lifestyles they lead...with so many people against them, at times are certainly not "gay".

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