Massachusetts: Green Light Gay Marriage.

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Massachusetts: Green Light Gay Marriage.
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Tue, 11-18-2003 - 1:11pm

We've debated this subject at length before, therefore I'll post the link to the old discussion. The news though is new about the ruling in Mass.


I imagine they'll be a great deal of opposition in Mass. because of the many RC's in the state, JMO.


http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-elinthenews&msg=5041.1


Green Light For Gay Marriage.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/11/national/printable583048.shtml



Massachusetts' highest court ruled 4-3 Tuesday that the state's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional and gave lawmakers 180 days to fix the problem.

"Whether and whom to marry, how to express sexual intimacy, and whether and how to establish a family — these are among the most basic of every individual's liberty and due process rights," the majority opinion said. "And central to personal freedom and security is the assurance that the laws will apply equally to persons in similar situations."

The Supreme Judicial Court left the details of the same-sex marriage issue to the Legislature. Advocates said the case took a significant step beyond the 1999 Vermont Supreme Court decision that led to civil unions in that state.

Attorney Mary Bonauto, who represented the seven gay couples who sued the state, said the only task assigned to the Legislature is to come up with changes in the law that will allow gay couples to marry at the end of the 180-day period.

Vermont-style civil unions would not be enough, she said, because that would fall short of marriage. A constitutional ban on gay marriage could not be enacted in Massachusetts until 2006 because it takes several years to change the state's constitution.

"This is a very good day for gay and lesbian families in Massachusetts and throughout the country," Bonauto said.

But the issue may find a hostile audience in the Massachusetts Legislature, which has been considering a constitutional amendment that would legally define a marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The state's powerful Speaker of the House, Tom Finneran of Boston, has endorsed this proposal.

And Republican Gov. Mitt Romney criticized the court ruling, saying: "Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution that makes that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to nontraditional couples, but marriage is a special institution that should be reserved for a man and a woman."

A key group of state lawmakers also has recently been working behind the scenes to craft civil union legislation similar to the law passed in Vermont.

The court's decision drew further mixed reaction.

A Boston lawyer said the justices are telling state lawmakers what they want them to do, and she doubts the lawmakers would defy the court.

But a Massachusetts law student isn't so sure. She says she's worried state lawmakers will "try to weasel out of it somehow."

A former Boston mayor and U.S. ambassador to the Vatican criticized the ruling. Ray Flynn said the ruling is a "major setback for the sacred institution of marriage as the relationship between one man and one woman."

Gay and lesbian advocates have been cheered by a series of advances this year, including a U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down anti-sodomy laws, the ordination of an openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, and a Canadian appeals court ruling that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. Belgium and the Netherlands also have legalized gay marriage.

In addition to Vermont, courts in Hawaii and Alaska have previously ruled that the states did not have a right to deny marriage to gay couples. In those two states, the decisions were followed by the adoption of constitutional amendments limiting marriage to heterosexual couples. No American court has ordered the issuance of a marriage license — a privilege reserved for heterosexual couples.

"The question is whether the Massachusetts court is able and willing to recognize a new right for gays based upon the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June that outlawed sodomy laws in Texas and elsewhere," reports CBS News Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen. "If Massachusetts recognizes such a right, other states might too, and there is bound to be a huge legal fight that would bring this particular issue right back before the justices."

According to a poll examining attitudes about homosexuality, opposition to gay marriage has grown since midsummer, with 32 percent favoring it and 59 percent opposing it. In July, 53 percent said they opposed gay marriage.

The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press survey reinforced the finding that religious attitudes sharply affect feelings on gays and gay behavior. Those with a high level of religious commitment oppose gay marriage by 80 percent to 12 percent.

But despite the opposition to gay marriage, the survey found the public has moved toward widespread opposition against discrimination generally against homosexuals.

The U.S. House is currently considering a constitutional ban on gay marriage. President George W. Bush, although he believes marriage should be defined as a union between one man and one woman, recently said that a constitutional amendment is not yet necessary.

The Massachusetts case began in 2001, when seven gay couples went to their city and town halls to obtain marriage licenses. All were denied, leading them to sue the state Department of Public Health, which administers the state's marriage laws.

A judge threw out the case in 2002, ruling that nothing in state law gives gay couples the right to marry. The couples appealed to the Supreme Judicial Court.

The plaintiffs argued that barring them from marrying a partner of the same sex denied them access to an intrinsic human experience and violated basic constitutional rights.

The state Attorney General's office, which defended the Department of Public Health, argued that neither state law nor its constitution created a right to same-sex marriage. The state also said any decision to extend marriage to same-sex partners should be made by elected lawmakers, not the courts.

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Registered: 12-05-2003
Fri, 12-05-2003 - 6:09am
some people may not agree with this issue but in my opinion,i think it is better to let them have their own lifestyle.For this reason, if they are ban from married each other it may not resolve any problems perhaps it become more worsen. they merely attract to man and didn't have any sense toward women. just let them breaking the habit because their unnatural habits didn't make any harmful to any of us.
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Registered: 12-05-2003
Fri, 12-05-2003 - 8:57am
nice ranting. Curiosity, is homosexuality (lets assume its a sin) a worse sin than premarital sex?. Do you walk around judging people who have premarital sex or is one just more acceptable. Shouldnt some sins be between you and god alone. Something to consider.
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Registered: 07-03-2003
Fri, 12-05-2003 - 3:13pm
Thank You! I couldn't agree more! Whatever is happening to separation of church and state anyway?

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Registered: 12-05-2003
Fri, 12-05-2003 - 3:48pm
All they need to do to decide the issue is to go to the Bible and see what God did to the same sex relationships in Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Fri, 12-05-2003 - 4:00pm
Hello. I consider myself to be a strong supportter of the GLBT community and I have no oppostion to gay marriage whatsoever. I feel "nontraditional" couples should have the same rights and priveldges as heterosexual couples. I am a bisexual female. I have dated a woman within a long term relationship. This never led to marriage but feeling restricted from an institution so beautiful is very painful. Love is love in spite of sexual orientation and I know this firsthand. We should not be confined and bound by societal stereotypes. It is important to follow our heart. By saying homomsexual couples should not get the right to marry it is like saying they are inferior to heterosexuals. They are merely asking for equal treatment. Nothing more. There is no shame in homosexuality nor should there be wrong doing in the union of homosexuals.

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Fri, 12-05-2003 - 4:11pm

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Fri, 12-05-2003 - 5:18pm
There may be great opposition in Massachusetts, but in all honesty that is something that those people, and eventually everyone in America, are going to have to live with, lets face it folks, homosexuals are people too, and deserve to be treated like you would treat your mother or father, with respect. Everyone is afraid of them or scared or whatever, but they are just like you and I, normal, hard working people. This is a free country and people should be able to marry who ever they want to marry, just like "straight" people. I mean what is the big deal?
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Registered: 12-05-2003
Fri, 12-05-2003 - 11:19pm
ok, well...i 've been reading all of the responses on this board, and i must say that i am completely shocked to see almost zero posts of women who are unsupportive of gay marriage. currently, about 60 percent of americans are against gay marriage. however, in reality, although at times i might like to bring up that figure simply to support my own stance on the issue, that figure is not what is important. what is important, though, has become extremely visible with the MA supreme court ruling. think about this: we have just allowed seven people, SEVEN PEOPLE, to decide the fate of gay unions in an ENTIRE state. if our government can give seven people the power to decide something so monumetal and controversial, one MUST realize that something is seriously wrong with our goverment.

however, before any individual can begin to think about the question of gay marriage, one must think about the question of homosexuality itself. we have to stop saying, "is homosexuality an individual right?" instead, we really have to ask ourselves, "is homosexuality MORALLY correct?" i realize that many of you probably don't see this as an important problem. you're probably thinking: "who's to say what's morally right? can we ever really know? in our day and age, why should we care about what is morally right?" etc, etc.

there was a time in our world, when all postive law(constitutions of stes/countries, written law, etc.) ANSWERED to the natural moral law(things that are inherently right and wrong). however, we are entering into a time where postive law has so much power that it actually SURPASSES the natural moral law of our human nature. think about it. what good could possibly result from that?

is homosexuality morally correct?

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Sat, 12-06-2003 - 5:30am


I believe love is just that love-be it with whomever
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Sat, 12-06-2003 - 8:16am

>"if our government can give seven people the power to decide something so monumental and controversial, one MUST realize that something is seriously wrong with our government."<


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