Al Gore endorses Howard Dean.

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Tue, 12-09-2003 - 9:17am
Gore: 'Proud and honored to endorse Howard Dean'   Vote Dean     Democrat

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/elec04.prez.gore.dean/index.html


Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean's bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination on Tuesday, substantially deepening Dean's fast-developing drive for dominance in the nine-candidate field of would-be challengers to President Bush.


"I'm very proud and honored to endorse Howard Dean as the next president of the United States of America," Gore said.


The announcement in Manhattan's Harlem, coming on the morning of another debate between the "'04 Dems," as they're called, could cement Dean's status as the leading Democratic candidate heading into the kickoff contests now just weeks away in Iowa and New Hampshire.


"We need to remake the Democratic Party, we need to remake America," Gore said.


"This nation cannot afford to have four more years of a Bush-Cheney administration," he said.


Prior to Tuesday's endorsement, a source told CNN that Gore -- the Democratic Party's presidential candidate in 2000 -- thinks a protracted primary campaign would serve only to help President Bush.


"In a field of great candidates, one candidate clearly now stands out and so I'm asking all of you to join in this grassroots movement to elect Howard Dean president of the United States," Gore said.


Dean thanked Gore for his leadership: "We have needed a strong steady hand in this party and I appreciate Al's willing(ness) to stand up and be one," Dean said.


Gore said part of the reason he chose to endorse Dean was his ability to appeal to the nation's "grassroots" elements, a reference to Dean's success in organizing and raising funds on the Internet and in small voter gatherings.


Gore also praised Dean's opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq. The former vice president called the Iraqi war a "catastrophic mistake" by the Bush administration, a move that leaves the United States less effective in the nation's battle against terrorism. He said the United States is now in a "quagmire" in Iraq.


Gore said that he and Dean would travel together to Iowa following the announcement. Gore was to give a speech later in the day in Cedar Rapids. The Iowa Caucus is set for January 19.


Dean was expected to travel on to New Hampshire for Tuesday evening's Democratic debate s-sponsored by ABC News and WMUR-TV. The New Hampshire primary is scheduled for January 27.


The announcement came nearly three years to the date from Gore's concession in the 2000 election, when he won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote.


Sen. Joe Lieberman, Gore's vice-presidential running mate in 2000 and a current presidential hopeful, said he would continue to "to fight for what's right, win this nomination, and defeat George W. Bush next year."


"I have a lot of respect for Al Gore -- that is why I kept my promise not to run if he did," Lieberman said.


"Ultimately, the voters will make the determination and I will continue to make my case about taking our party and nation forward," Lieberman said in a written statement.


A source close to Lieberman said Gore, who was Clinton's vice president, did not call Lieberman to inform him of the decision.


Dean pulling ahead

With the Dean campaign gaining momentum, a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows Dean widening his front-runner status among the eight other Democratic candidates.


The poll showed that 25 percent of registered Democrats surveyed support Dean as their nominee, with retired Gen. Wesley Clark coming in second with 17 percent. (Poll: Dean's New Hampshire lead increases)


In an interview before the news broke on CNN's "Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics," Dean played down his front-runner status.


"The pundits in Washington have been talking about me as the front-runner for a long time," Dean said.


"Well, guess what, the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Arizona and so forth get to decide who the front-runner is. So, it's nice talk but I'm not buying it."


Caught off-guard

Erik Smith, a campaign press secretary for Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri, sounded as if the Gephardt team was caught off-guard by the news, as were Dean's other rivals.


Dean and Gephardt are the top two candidates in Iowa. (Gephardt calls for increased homeland security funding)


"Dick Gephardt fought side-by-side with Al Gore to pass the Clinton economic plan, pass the assault weapons ban and defend against Republican attacks on Medicare and affirmative action. On each of these issues, Howard Dean was on the wrong side," Smith said.


Saying he respected Gore and fought for his campaign four years ago, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said, "This election is about the future, not about the past." (Kerry: Bush administration arrogant, reckless)


"This election will be decided by voters, across the country, beginning with voters in Iowa," he said.


Paul Begala, a political adviser to President Clinton and now a host of CNN's "Crossfire," called the endorsement an "enormous boost" that would clearly give Dean momentum going into Iowa and New Hampshire.


"It's very good for him," Begala said. "I wouldn't go so far as to say it locks anything up, though, because people want to make up their own minds."








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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 1:07pm
Well the Bible covers itself by preaching to follow the righteous path of Jesus, but it also goes on to preach an eye for an eye, etc.

I guess by saying that God is all forgiving, it is also covering itself by saying that if you sin, but seek forgiveness, then the Lord will forgive you of sin.

This is partly why I am a non-practicing catholic. I believe in religion and God, but dont believe in all the preachings of the Roman Catholic Church, and the way that they have handled themselves of late is disgraceful.

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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 2:44pm
An 'eye for an eye' is Old Testament which has the law that convicts us of our sins and teaches that the penalty for them is death. It's such a harsh book because no one can live up to all it's commandments and no one is worthy of entering heaven.

'Turn the other cheek,' is New Testament which shows us that since we are all sinners condemned to Hell, we can only br saved by the grace of God who is willing to overlook our shortcomings.

Jesus tells us that we should, turn the other cheek when someone sins against us because that is what he does when we sin against him.





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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 3:11pm
Isn't that Old Testament?
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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 4:41pm
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Christians have such a convenient loophole.

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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 5:33pm

...makes me wonder how many other mistranslations there are in the Bible...


However, I decided to look up more info on it (since, apparently my Bible must be from the Stone Age).


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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 8:00pm
<<...makes me wonder how many other mistranslations there are in the Bible...>>

That's why it's important to be able to find out for yourself and reach your own conclusions.

That way, you also won't get sucked into buying whatever bias others may bring to the passage as Religous Tolerance does by implying that murder and execution are synonomous instead of two different legal terms one which desribes an unjustified act of homicide and the other which describes a justified act of homocide.

The blue letter Bible is a great place to start with lots of different tools to use.

www.blueletterbible.org

Here is the verse in question--Exodus 20:13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd020.html#13

References to it in other passages

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Exd/20/13.html

Concordance--give you the original language & it's other uses in the bible

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1071532888-9313.html#13

Here is the total number of times the word 'ratsach' appears in the Bible, and

you can see the various ways it was translated into the King James version.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Exd&chapter=20&verse=14&version=kjv

From here, clicking on Strongs ref. #, you go to the Lexicon which gives you more infomation on 'ratsach' and shows you the different ways the KJ translators used it:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1071533045-6441.html

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count - Total: 47

AV - slayer 16, murderer 14, kill 5, murder 3, slain 3, manslayer 2,

killing 1, slayer + 0310 1, slayeth 1, death 1; 47

Scroll down further and you have a list of all the passages that it's used in. As you can see, 'ratsach' is never used in the context of an accidental or justified killing such as punishment for a captial crime.

In the Bible, 'ratsach' cannot refer to just executions because Numbers 35:16 says:

And if he smite 05221 him with an instrument 03627 of iron 01270, so that he die 04191 , he a murderer 07523 : the murderer 07523 shall surely 04191 be put to death 04191 .


Here the punishment for 'ratsach' is 'muwth' which means to be put to death. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1071533685-259.html

Therefore, the commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill', does not include justified homicide.

Here is commentary on Exodus 20:13

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1071533939-2822.html

The sixth commandment: You shall not murder

a. Some have wondered how God can approve both capital punishment (Exodus 19:12) and this prohibition of murder. The simple answer is that in Hebrew as well as English, there is a distinction between to kill and to murder

b. Murder is the taking of life without legal justification (execution after due process) or moral justification (killing in defense)

c. Jesus carefully explained the heart of this commandment; it prohibits us from hating another also (Matthew 5:21-26). We can wish someone dead in our hearts, yet never have the "courage" to commit the deed - we aren't to be praised for such a lack of courage, when the heart is filled with hatred!

From Torry's Biblical Dictionary we can look up why it's forbidden, what it encompasses, how it is proven, how one can be cleared, and what punishment should be, how God feels about it, and Biblical murderers.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/choice/1071534269-4778.html

Here we can see how different translators have delt with the passage:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/versions/1071534632-3782.html#13

Notice that the New King James Version translation is:

You shall not murder.

Renee

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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 11:27pm
A sin is a sin. I think God would be more than happy to let me slide on that one. I would be getting rid of 2 of the world's most dangerous people. If killing them saved one person from dying it would be worth it. Call it a loophole all you want. Doesn't make it not the way it is.
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Tue, 12-16-2003 - 12:26am
All Al Gore cares about is Al Gore. Gore and Dean are just using each other. I doubt they even really like each other. Gore has no loyalty or decency, and can't even decide where he stands on issues. It's very sad that he didn't at least call Joe Lieberman ahead of time (before the surprise endorsement of Dean). He should have called Gephardt, Kerry, etc. too. Gore is no gentleman. Lieberman is a true, loyal, decent gentleman. If I had to vote for a Democrat, it would be Lieberman.

President Bush will get my vote. Again.

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Tue, 12-16-2003 - 12:39am

Thanks for all the links...I think...anyway, I still feel, regardless of whether it is translated as 'kill' or 'murder', that to stand and shoot someone in cold blood (unarmed) is wrong and not Christian, by the definition of that word as I was raised to understand it.


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Tue, 12-16-2003 - 8:35am
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I agree. That would indeed be murder, but according to the Bible, we are all murderers in our hearts which is what really matters to the state of our souls. Those of us who are unwilling or unable to act on those feelings of rage and hatered are called cowardly and weak, we are saved from civil punishment and execution. Inaction, however, doesn't save our souls. Ahlmommy whether she puts a bullet through Saddam's skull or not, & I & every other human being are all guilty of murder on a spiritual level which makes us all deserving of being condemned to hell.

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I just love to knit pick. ;) But, seriously, since the majority of Americans only repeat what they hear about Christianity, I think it's important to clear up any common myths when they present themselves.

<< I still feel that the Bible is just a historical document>>

I never doubted that.

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There's really not a lot about living a peaceful life and hardly anything about a peaceful society. Rather more about how to suffer pain and oppression to the death by those individuals and institutions who would do you harm. That the poor will always be with us. That there will always be wars. That we haven't yet seen how bad things will get.

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Religous Tolerance is the ACLU of religous organizations serves a certain purpose, but which has with a definite bias and I don't think presents many Biblical issues in accordance with good scholarship.

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Nominal Christians--yes. Most practicing Christians don't use the King James version. Also they have done Bible studies and heard sermons on the subject, so in that case, I'll have to disagree with you.


Edited 12/16/2003 9:50:40 AM ET by wrhen

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