We are Retaliating For Fallujah!!!
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We are Retaliating For Fallujah!!!
| Mon, 04-05-2004 - 1:42pm |
I am happy to see that we are doing something!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4667031/
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Hundreds of U.S. and Iraqi troops in tanks, trucks and other vehicles surrounded the turbulent city of Fallujah on Monday ahead of a major operation against insurgents blamed for the grisly slayings of four American security contractors last week.
U.S. commanders have been vowing a massive response to pacify Fallujah, one of the most violent cities in the Sunni Triangle, the heartland of the anti-U.S. insurgency north and west of Baghdad.
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...Saddam had years to hide his weapons with NO ONE watching. There was proof that he had them BEFORE he kicked out the inspectors. Then years later they were welcomed back in and wha la... the weapons cannot be found. Do you believe that Saddam kicked out the inspectors only to comply with the resolutions in secret? Do you think that he dismantled all of his weapons in secret, then reufused to prove that he did it out of principal? This is what defies all logic to me...
Can you answer these questions?
Also, you and I disagree about the UN and America's obligations in reference to Iraq. I feel like we had to follow through on our threats or appear weak and be subject of more attacks on our soil. You will not convince me otherwise, and I am sure that I won't convince you that it was necessary, so we should agree to disagree on this point.
I do have another question for you about the U.N. though, for the sake of my own curiosity. Did you object when President Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN approval? How about when he bombed Afghanistan without the approval from the UN? I would like to know if your views are consistant.
minnie
And you are right. You will never convince me to agree with America haters from foreign countries. I'll take that a step further, I won't be convinced by American born America haters either. That said, I never claimed that we were perfect and have done nothing wrong. Anyway, we should agree to disagree on this topic as you wisely suggested.
minnie :)
Saddam had years to hide his weapons with NO ONE watching. There was proof that he had them BEFORE he kicked out the inspectors. Then years later they were welcomed back in and wha la... the weapons cannot be found. Do you believe that Saddam kicked out the inspectors only to comply with the resolutions in secret? Do you think that he dismantled all of his weapons in secret, then reufused to prove that he did it out of principal? This is what defies all logic to me...
Actually, he kicked the inspectors out because he felt he had met the requirements of the sanctions that were required because of the peace treaty that resolved our war with Iraq and that he therefore did not have to continue to be held back by them.
James
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"Actually, he kicked the inspectors out because he felt he had met the requirements of the sanctions that were required because of the peace treaty that resolved our war with Iraq and that he therefore did not have to continue to be held back by them."
Which is totally incorrect and is frankly doubletalk that makes no sense - then you say, "Now, I don't agree with that..." If you don't agree with a statement that you just made, then WHY DID YOU MAKE IT???
You continue with, "and I think that the force that Bush applied early on in this process to force Saddam to actually submit to the UN pressure was a very good thing..."
Um, what force? And What was actually working???
I actually understood the rest of the post and here is my opinion: Saddam had 12 Years to comply with the UN resolutions. That was enough time. It was clear after twelve years of making idle threats it was time to make good on them. The hands of France and Germany were dirty as we have since found out so they would never have approved force.
OK. Now I've answered your questions and you still haven't answered mine. Do you believe that out of some sort of moral principal Saddam dismantled his own weapons program in secret? Do you honestly think that is a logical answer?
minnie?
Many is not *all*. That is what you need to understand. There are 5 million Iraqi's in that country. If the majority of them felt this way we would be outnumbered and overtaken within hours. The majority is supportive of us. The left wing is painting a different picture for one reason and one reason only - to regain power.
Well, obviously "many" is not "all".
Hi,
I am in Germany right now, and I have run into quite a few Germans who have attitudes towards Americans, even while I was trying to speak to them in my "broken German".
Miffy
Do you believe that Saddam kicked out the inspectors only to comply with the resolutions in secret? Do you think that he dismantled all of his weapons in secret, then reufused to prove that he did it out of principal?
I believe that he kicked out the inspectors so that he didn't appear weak to the other Muslim leaders.
When I said "They hate us" I was referring to America as a whole, not each individual person, LOL.
Didn't ever think you did.
Throughout 1999, there were continual air strikes against him. Do these attacks somehow serve a purpose for him?
Attacking does serve Saddam Hussein's purpose, because it shows he is standing up, he is resisting. He is still telling the people, "You cannot fly over my country." It gives him a psychological lift. It is psychological for the Iraqi people, to think, "There is a reason behind what is happening to us. It is because we have enemies, enemies who are attacking our military installations and denying us food, denying us medicine, and making our life miserable. It is the same group of people." So you identify one with the other, and you get mileage out of it, and he is doing that. Above all, this enhances Saddam's image with the Arab people. Saddam Hussein is now the only Arab leader who has a following outside his own country.
Saddam Hussein is very popular with the people in Jordan. Saddam Hussein is very popular with the Palestinian people. Saddam Hussein is very popular with the people in Syria. Saddam Hussein is very popular with college students in Cairo and other places in Egypt. Saddam Hussein is standing up to the West. He has survived for nine years. He is a hero. He is not winning. But the mere fact that he survives, that he continues, is enough to make him a HERO. And people like it. They don't live under Saddam Hussein, so they don't suffer from his actions the way the Iraqi people suffer. All they see is the fact that he is standing up to the West, and they like that.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/interviews/aburish3.html
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How can he prove this is he didn't have then.
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