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Mon, 04-19-2004 - 8:29pm
Muslims want to pray in Catholic cathedral

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082357118088.html

Muslims across Spain are lobbying the Catholic church in Cordoba to make a symbolic gesture of reconciliation between faiths by allowing them to pray in the city's cathedral.

Cordoba's Renaissance-era cathedral sits in the centre of a 10th century mosque complex, and local Muslims want to be allowed to pray there again. They have appealed to the Vatican to intercede on their behalf.

Zakarias Maza, director of a mosque in neighbouring Granada, said: "We hope the Vatican will give a signal that it has a vision of openness and dialogue.

"Cordoba has been a symbol of the union of three cultures for centuries. Even now, Jews and Muslims live together with Christians in the neighbourhood around the mosque."

The number of Muslims in the south of Spain is growing as a result of immigration from north Africa and Spaniards converting. Cordoba has about 500 Muslims, too many for the present mosque.

A spokesman for the local bishop said that the proposal faced many obstacles and it would be many years before it came to anything. The proposals have also provoked anger from some Catholics. "Will Christians be able to pray in the mosques of Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait?" demanded one contributor to a Catholic website.

Muslims are going out of their way to portray the proposals as a union, and not a clash of faiths.

Nowadays, Cordoba is a small provincial capital, but 1000 years ago it was one of the great cities of the world. As the capital of Moorish Spain, it became one of Islam's holiest places and a centre of Islamic art and scholarship to rival Baghdad.

The original mosque was built in the eighth century, following the conquest. It was expanded by successive generations of rulers until the Christians took the city again in the 13th century.

With its hundreds of marble columns and distinctive red-and-white brickwork, the mosque is considered one of Moorish Spain's greatest legacies.

It stands at the heart of a UNESCO world heritage site.

The addition of the cathedral was only the most recent change of use for a site that has seen the ebb and flow of the world's great religions.

The Guardian

Renee

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Registered: 03-23-2003
Tue, 04-20-2004 - 8:50pm

Considering it's history, it should be open to any and all who wish to pray there.


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Registered: 05-06-2003
Wed, 04-21-2004 - 12:31am
I agree. If the cathedral sits amidst a mosque complex, why not?

But why do they want to pray inside the mosque? Isn't it full of the sort of imagery that is forbidden in Islam?

What does this 'complex' consist of? Can they build a mosque next door?

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Registered: 03-23-2003
Wed, 04-21-2004 - 3:22pm
I guess if they really wish to pray there, they will have to understand that the space is 'shared' and that some imagery might not be acceptable to them.

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Wed, 04-21-2004 - 3:41pm

>"It would be great if all could share that space with respect."<


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Registered: 07-25-2003
Thu, 04-22-2004 - 8:27pm
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And you think within weeks of Islamofacists killing hundreds of people and ranting about the second conquest of Spain is the time for Muslims to demand access to a Spanish church in the name of 'reconciliation' and 'unity?'

Here's a thought. Why don't the Spanish Muslims invite Jews and Christians into their mosques in the name of reconciliation, unity, and hospitality, and then wait for the invitation to be returned.

Renee

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Registered: 03-28-2003
Fri, 04-23-2004 - 1:29am
It's one thing for a religious group to rent or use a community space. It's another thing for them to petition a private religious group for use of a building dedicated to the practice of a specific religion.

Catholic churches are maintained and supported by the Catholic faithful for the purpose of Catholic religious practice. They are not a multipurpose space.

"Zakarias Maza, director of a mosque in neighbouring Granada, said: "We hope the Vatican will give a signal that it has a vision of openness and dialogue."

I take the phrase "openness and dialogue" to mean "ready to make concessions when requested".

Read the blurb below and find the quote "reclaim a part of their history" as one of the intentions of the Muslims who want to use the Cathedral for Muslim prayer.

If Spain permits Muslims to "reclaim" sites after a 500 year absence, they will have a Holy War a la Jerusalem on their hands. I think this is a disasterous idea.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1852971.stm

"Controversy came when a group of about 20 delegates, men and women, insisted

on praying inside Cordoba's Great Mosque, which was converted to a Catholic

cathedral in the 13th century.

As they bowed to Mecca, security guards moved in to break up the gathering,

saying it was forbidden for Muslims to pray within the property of the

Catholic Church.

Worshippers said they wanted to reclaim a part of their history.

Some said it had been 500 years since such an event had taken place in the

Cordoba mosque.

While that may not be true, it was clearly an emotional moment, leaving some

of the participants in tears."

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-23-2003
Fri, 04-23-2004 - 10:35am
And why should all Spanish Muslims be held accountable for the actions of a group of terrorists?

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-23-2003
Fri, 04-23-2004 - 10:47am
Then perhaps organized religions should be banned until 'humanity' is mature enough to handle them...sigh...Annoyed And Disappointed

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Registered: 11-14-2003
Fri, 04-23-2004 - 10:57am

<mature enough to handle them...sigh...Annoyed And Disappointed

Miffy

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Registered: 03-23-2003
Fri, 04-23-2004 - 11:10am

I hear that!!! Do you ever wonder how many problems and deaths could be avoided if religion didn't exist in modern times?


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