Bush: Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV

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Wed, 05-05-2004 - 10:17am
Should Bush apologize on Arab TV?
Bush to address Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV.

President Bush will give interviews to two Arab television networks Wednesday about reports of U.S. military personnel abusing Iraqi prisoners, the White House said.


White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the 10-minute interviews with Al-Hurra, a U.S.-sponsored network, and Al Arabiya will take place about 10 a.m. ET (1400 GMT) in the Map Room at the White House.


"This is an opportunity for the president to speak directly to the people of Arab nations and let them know that the images that we all have seen are shameful and unacceptable," McClellan told reporters during a Bush campaign tour.


Referring to photographs that have surfaced showing Iraqi prisoners being abused McClellan said, "The images do not represent what America stands for, nor do they represent the high standards of conduct that the military is committed to uphold. The U.S. believes in treating all people with dignity and respect."


Asked why Bush would not meet with the Arab network Al-Jazeera, McClellan would only say the other two networks "reach a wide range of people in the Middle East."


McClellan said the actions of the accused soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq "do not represent what 99 percent of the men and women in the military stand for." (Full story)


Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday that he would take "all measures necessary" to ensure that abuse of detainees in Iraq "does not happen again."


Rumsfeld defended the Defense Department's handling of the matter in the face of congressional criticism, noting that a criminal investigation by the Army was under way and publicly disclosed three months before what he called "deeply disturbing" photographs were broadcast last week.


"This is a serious problem, and it's something the department is addressing," he said at a Pentagon news briefing. "The system works. The system works."


Rumsfeld said the criminal investigation was one of six launched since January.


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/05/iraq.abuse.main/index.html

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:39pm

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If it's the same Michael Moore that did "Bowling for Columbine" then I'd consider anything he's said, written or filmed as suspect.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:46pm

minnie, I think we've found something we agree on.


"Kook" is an excellent adjective for that......kook.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:46pm
I don't believe that they should have tortured these people and I don't want to sound barbaric but I believe whoever took the pictures should never have done that either. War is not pretty and although we try to play by the rules, it's very difficult. Especially when our soldiers and contractors that are over there are trying to maintain law and order and rebuild Iraq and then they are killed and their dead bodies are dragged through the street. Is it right that the God fearing Islamics commit these attrocities on our people and expect no retaliation? How many times can we turn the other cheek? Humiliation versus having your head lopped off on film, I don't think there is much of a choice there. Police officers become angered when one of their own is killed in the line of duty. What do you think the men and women are feeling over their when they see their peers blown up in front of their faces along with innocent women and children? How would you feel waking up every morning to having rocks thrown at you?

You may feel we are better than that and that we should apoligize to the Iraqis or the Arab countries, but I'm a firm believer that you reep what you sow.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:48pm

Not to mention the fact that the Academy Awards is not the forum to make a political statement and all you do when you DO make that statement is make yourself look like a.................kook.


There's that word again!

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:54pm

So, you're advocating, then, just pulling Iraqis off the street and forcing them to sodomize themselves with bananas, strip them naked and walk them around on a leash or have them pile into a human pyramid, ride an old woman like a donkey because it's justified with the blood of American soldiers killed by OTHER Iraqis?


There is absolutely NO justification for what these soldiers did.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 1:55pm
There was hundred thousand times more sympathy for Sept 11. There was sympathy for the four mercenaries who were killed. But in this case, you go and invade their country, they fight you because it is their country, you put them in prison call them thugs because they were fighting for THEIR country and then you abuse them. You get reports of abuse on which you dawdle till you get gruesome pictures and then you say it is my fault but you still don't get fired. Irnonic, ridiculous still don't express anything. Don't you think they think US army as terrorists? Can you see this from their perspective? I am really sick of President Bush and the gang calling them insurgents, terrorists etc and people from US as military soldiers etc... Did they invite you to fight for them? I wouold like to see one mail, memo from Iraq officals which invites US military to give them democracy in this manner.Bush is a self appointed police, so he and his gang are 100% responsible for this kind of terrorism to other people, no matter what other wise he is no better than Saddam who tortured(thru his men) people against him. They didn't have proper procedures in place to deal with prisoners. It is their fault. But you know he doesnot care. He doesnot care for his soldeirs, he doesnot care for Iraqi's. Democracy is obtained from within. If people in Iraq wanted democracy they would fight for it when they were ready, they way so many countries got Independence from British Rule.



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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 2:30pm
Who said anything about pulling innocent Iraqis off the street and abusing them? I do not advocate abuse on any side. But let's not take the attitude that it's okay for our soldiers to be spit on, blown up by car bombers and every other means of "abuse" that they can think of and not think somebody isn't going to snap over there. Unless you want to go over there and do their job, the statement war is hell has more than one meaning. We were so undermanned in our military due to the illimination of the draft, we sent reservists over there who are less trained than if we had hard core service people. We would like to think the world will be a wonderful place where abuse and hunger no longer exists, but in the real world that's not so. Mr Bush gave a half hearted attempt at an apology. But that's just a bandaid, it's not going to close the wound, and I can almost guarantee you that the words that will be said to the next round of prison guards will be, NO CAMERAS!!!!!! The part of the prison that those people are being held was for the insurgents, they are not going to allow the other detainees to be kept with the violant ones. Was it right? NO!! But we are not going to solve it by putting it in the media and making a 3 ring circus out of it. And do you know what is going around the internet now?

The movie of Berg being beheaded. Now THAT is barbaric!!!!!!!
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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 2:52pm
Gruesome pictures??? GRUESOME PICTURES??? These pictures were not gruesome, they were NOTHING, a zit - a pimple, THAT'S ALL - compared to the gruesome obscene video that I saw.

Please view this so that you will think twice before you make statements like this.

And don't be ridiculous about Iraqi officials asking for help. Saddam Hussain was the brutal dictator before we went in. HE was the official in charge before we went in. Do you really think that HE would have written to us asking us to fight for his oppressed people? Well, we didn't go in just to fight for his oppressed people (that was a benefit from us going in). We went in to enforce UN resolutions that he ignored for twelve years. We went in to fight for AMERICA, and our safety. Try as you may, you will not be able to put him and his elite followers out there as some innocent, ESPECIALLY since it has come out that the "no" votes in the UN were BRIBED BY HIM.

If you want to know how the Iraqis really feel ASK an Iraqi here in the United States who is free to speak his mind. The agenda driven news media NEVER does that because they support this action and will tell you the truth about Saddam and about how they appreciate what we have done for them.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 3:05pm

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There are so many things wrong with this statement, it would take forever to point them all out, so I'll just hit the important things.


First off, the "All Volunteer" military has never seen better success during a peacetime situation than it has in the years following the Vietnam Conflict.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 3:27pm
So you live by turning the other cheek? If you knew someone was being abused by their husband and you could hear the screams, you'd turn the other cheek or let them handle it themselves? Knowing that you could save that woman if you just stepped up and did something about it. Don't distort what's really happening by actting as if we went there soley to kill the innocent so if they kill ours it's ok...that makes me sick!

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