Bush: Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV

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Bush: Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV
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Wed, 05-05-2004 - 10:17am
Should Bush apologize on Arab TV?
Bush to address Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV.

President Bush will give interviews to two Arab television networks Wednesday about reports of U.S. military personnel abusing Iraqi prisoners, the White House said.


White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the 10-minute interviews with Al-Hurra, a U.S.-sponsored network, and Al Arabiya will take place about 10 a.m. ET (1400 GMT) in the Map Room at the White House.


"This is an opportunity for the president to speak directly to the people of Arab nations and let them know that the images that we all have seen are shameful and unacceptable," McClellan told reporters during a Bush campaign tour.


Referring to photographs that have surfaced showing Iraqi prisoners being abused McClellan said, "The images do not represent what America stands for, nor do they represent the high standards of conduct that the military is committed to uphold. The U.S. believes in treating all people with dignity and respect."


Asked why Bush would not meet with the Arab network Al-Jazeera, McClellan would only say the other two networks "reach a wide range of people in the Middle East."


McClellan said the actions of the accused soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq "do not represent what 99 percent of the men and women in the military stand for." (Full story)


Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday that he would take "all measures necessary" to ensure that abuse of detainees in Iraq "does not happen again."


Rumsfeld defended the Defense Department's handling of the matter in the face of congressional criticism, noting that a criminal investigation by the Army was under way and publicly disclosed three months before what he called "deeply disturbing" photographs were broadcast last week.


"This is a serious problem, and it's something the department is addressing," he said at a Pentagon news briefing. "The system works. The system works."


Rumsfeld said the criminal investigation was one of six launched since January.


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/05/iraq.abuse.main/index.html

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 3:50pm

Oh, gee...sorry to 'waste' your time.


I took your post to mean others from around the world...not just on our thread.


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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 4:01pm

Is it right that the God fearing Islamics commit these attrocities on our people and expect no retaliation? How many times can we turn the other cheek? Humiliation versus having your head lopped off on film, I don't think there is much of a choice there. Police officers become angered when one of their own is killed in the line of duty. What do you think the men and women are feeling over their when they see their peers blown up in front of their faces along with innocent women and children?


Ok, so let me just get this strait, you can understand why our soldiers would "become angered" because they can see their own men getting killed by these people and it definitely bothers them.


However, the "god fearing Islamics" are commiting crazy "attrocities" with no reason?

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 4:01pm
LOL!

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 4:20pm
Yes been there done that! There are many of the reservists and even full time military that are over there that joined because they couldn't find a civilian job so they figured they would join and get paid to learn a trade and be able to see the world. That's what the recruits tell them. When I say hard core I'm talking special forces, air borne rangers and military police. As for operation dessert storm, what exactly did we accomplish there????
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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 4:24pm

We kicked Saddam out of Kuwait, an oil-rich country that he illegally invaded....much like we did Iraq.


Or did you miss that part of why we went there in the first place?


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I don't suppose you'd be willing to put up anything to support this assertion would you - that the reservists are nothing but jobless losers looking to get paid to do nothing but travel and learn a trade and that they all self-disclosed these facts?


Interesting because I've never seen a report, military or otherwise,

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 4:52pm
Do you honestly think that those that killed Mr. Berg did it because they were upset about the Iraqi deaths??? These people did this kind of thing before and now is no exception, the media is just playing like it's all because of the big bad USA and this war. These Allah religious poisoned evil minds want to kill the USA for just about every reason under the sun....they hate us and this war just gives them more of an excuse although they never really needed one in the name of "Allah" to do so.
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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 5:25pm
I notice that breathofreshair can sling the "narrow-minded, hatefilled" charge about "how can you tell if liberals are really American" but can't manage to answer my response. It's so easy to label people with, to borrow your phrase, the "scarlet U", but it's another thing to back it up. I,too, have a long family history of service to this country;ancestors fought in the American Revolution and the Civil War, both grandfathers in WWI, Dad awarded a Purple Heart in WWII.I have voted in every election since becoming eligible in 1972. I pay my taxes, respect laws and the people they protect, and have raised two beautiful children to responsible young adulthood. I have taught in an inner-city high school for 25 years and my husband and I met as volunteers at a local soup kitchen. Since I teach civics, economics and U.S. history, I know the Constitution and the past of this country upside down and backwards. Do you suppose I qualify for "Americanhood"? As I said in an earlier post, "the weapons of vituperation (mud-slinging) are usually used by people who lack the intelligence and/or knowledge for an open, honest discussion."

 

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 5:38pm
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Or maybe it's a heated discussion and sometimes things just come out.

I think most have been guilty for throwing some "mud-slinging" around. Just because that goes on here in there doesn't necessarily mean someone lacks intelligence to hold an open and honest discussion. Geesh!

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 5:49pm

Do you honestly think that those that killed Mr. Berg did it because they were upset about the Iraqi deaths??? These people did this kind of thing before and now is no exception, the media is just playing like it's all because of the big bad USA and this war. These Allah religious poisoned evil minds want to kill the USA for just about every reason under the sun....they hate us and this war just gives them more of an excuse although they never really needed one in the name of "Allah" to do so.


It certainly is easier to fight an almost "cartoon" like evil, the kind of evil that just has no validation in it whatsoever, these evil beings are not even "people" they are just poisoned evil minds that want nothing but death and corruption and little else, because after all, they are simply horrid souls with nothing good about them.


The truth of the matter is that it is a lot more complex than that, these "evil beings" don't hate us "just because they are evil and we are good" this is not the Lord of the Rings and an evil god did not create these evil beings and there is no crusade of good vs evil.


This cartoonish battle against evil may make you sleep better at night, but the brush you are painting with is more evil than most things in this world.

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Thu, 05-13-2004 - 5:56pm
If you could stop spewing hatred for just a minute or two, could you please bear in mind that we started this war, yes, the U.S. (and PLEASE PLEASE do not re-visit what Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have all had to admit...that no matter WHAT kinds of evil Hussein perpetrated against his own people, he HAD NO CONNECTION WITH 9/11...and every time anyone in the Administration implied he did, they had to take it back) - and with the Iraqi dead in the thousands, do you think maybe this is just not some "Allah religious poisoned evil minds" who have nothing better to do than to strike back doing evil deeds to Americans because they have a lot of time on their hands?? All torture, abuse, murder and similar deeds should be repudiated by all of us, and, in fact, have been repeatedly denounced by people of all religious, political and ethnic backgrounds. If you get a chance you might want to check out Patrick Buchanan's editorial (you know who I mean, a REAL conservative)in the New York Times in the last two days, in which he states that Mr. Bush's pre-emptive strike on Iraq will probably(he can't be absolutely positive)go down in this country's history as one of our biggest mistakes! One more thing...I wouldn't throw around phrases like "if a person hits you on the left cheek, turn and give him your right", which you made reference to, unless you understand the correct theological background - it is not a statement about passivity - it is an open challenge to the person doing the hitting to hit the victim as an equal (which would be with the right hand on the right cheek...hitting a person on the left was back-handing and considered a supreme act of humiliation toward an inferior) - enough theology...please try to imagine what state of grief you would be in if some country bigger than ours, should it ever exist, unleashed tons of explosives on you, killing and maiming your family and friends and called it "shock and awe" - as if you, who had already had to put up with 25 years of "Sodamn Insane" or whoever the brutal leader was,were some how responsible for something in that other country that had nothing to do with you... as for poor tragic Mr. Berg, even as anyone would admit that "beheading" is gruesome and barbaric, and as such is an action which can never be excused or condoned, he would not have met that fate if, as his father stated ,"We begged him not to go to Iraq...the State Department warned him not to go to Iraq...but he was just that way." (AP news service) As Mr. Buchanan suggests in his editorial, the U.S. military and the people of this country would be best served by President Bush admitting that he made a mistake and bringing our troops home (his words, not mine).

 

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