Bush: Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV

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Wed, 05-05-2004 - 10:17am
Should Bush apologize on Arab TV?
Bush to address Iraqi prisoner abuse on Arab TV.

President Bush will give interviews to two Arab television networks Wednesday about reports of U.S. military personnel abusing Iraqi prisoners, the White House said.


White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the 10-minute interviews with Al-Hurra, a U.S.-sponsored network, and Al Arabiya will take place about 10 a.m. ET (1400 GMT) in the Map Room at the White House.


"This is an opportunity for the president to speak directly to the people of Arab nations and let them know that the images that we all have seen are shameful and unacceptable," McClellan told reporters during a Bush campaign tour.


Referring to photographs that have surfaced showing Iraqi prisoners being abused McClellan said, "The images do not represent what America stands for, nor do they represent the high standards of conduct that the military is committed to uphold. The U.S. believes in treating all people with dignity and respect."


Asked why Bush would not meet with the Arab network Al-Jazeera, McClellan would only say the other two networks "reach a wide range of people in the Middle East."


McClellan said the actions of the accused soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq "do not represent what 99 percent of the men and women in the military stand for." (Full story)


Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday that he would take "all measures necessary" to ensure that abuse of detainees in Iraq "does not happen again."


Rumsfeld defended the Defense Department's handling of the matter in the face of congressional criticism, noting that a criminal investigation by the Army was under way and publicly disclosed three months before what he called "deeply disturbing" photographs were broadcast last week.


"This is a serious problem, and it's something the department is addressing," he said at a Pentagon news briefing. "The system works. The system works."


Rumsfeld said the criminal investigation was one of six launched since January.


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/05/iraq.abuse.main/index.html

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 11:54am

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I know that, and I don't even read Michael Moore.


As far as anything the man writes or films, I always hold my watch up because it's always too late to rescue my shoes from getting covered, if you know what I mean.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 11:58am
Please ignore it. I'm making a study of how spammers get your address.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 12:03pm

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I happen to think that they do BELIEVE that what they did to Berg was just.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 12:09pm

<<private's are NOT going to make an outright decision on their own to do something like this.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 12:23pm

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Well, the fact that you were active duty during VietNam AND in the Air Force accounts for this incorrect assertion.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 1:14pm
We are Americans, we are also AT WAR, we do not know the full true story....And frankly we shouldn't.......We should be protected from such things.......We do not need to know every detail of everything war includes. We have soldiers and agencies to take care of the details.What would we do here on our soil? Are you all sure we wouldn't take extreme measures against our enemy...I don't always like it but it happens...across the ocean or right here in our own prisons. I can't believe these prisoners are nice, calm, perfect people.......................
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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 2:09pm
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I'm not sure if you are aware but there was an uprising in 1991 after the gulf war. Several cities were taken over and even the Secret Police Headquarters where the Iraqi's found the documents describing there family members torture mass grave locations. It provided some closure for them. During that time about March. Saddam was executing around 2000 people a day to stop the rebellion. He also proceeded to tie women and children to his tanks as the tanks entered the taken-over towns. There were also peaceful demonstrations in the capital but they were leveled with machine guns. Lucky I guess because if they went to prison electrodes would be put in there ears and they would be shocked. There were many other worse things that happened. Unfortunetly the U.S. helped persuade these people to uprise but yet failed to help. One of the reasons they were somewhat bitter at us before we went over there. Since Saddam's military was pretty much destroyed in the gulf war and yet he was able to take over his country again with terror tactics.. was Iraq capable? Also close to 60% of the jobs in Iraq were on the payroll of Saddam and 100% of the people who held those jobs were Family of Saddam or close family friends. Also if you are familiar with Somalia(sp?) just about the same thing happened. The first week we rolled in... The people were cheering and waving and praising us.. After a week they were asking "Where are our jobs, electricity..... etc etc.". How fickle people are. But anyways if you think Iraq was a happy place with jobs and no crime rate before the invasion you are wrong. The crime rate is arguable if you think it is legal if the goverment does it. You were more likely to be raped beaten and killed before U.S. invasion, but by the goverment. But like you said.. If Hitler didn't try to attack other Countries.. we should have just left it up to the Jews to handle him.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 2:58pm

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But conversely, there's no indication that they were criminals, terrorists, insurgents, or anything else that would justify their imprisonment, let alone their abuse at the hands of their captors.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 3:07pm
Hi Libraone,

When I heard BJP lost, i was shocked, dissapointed and depressed for 3 hours or so and then I had to come to grips. I am very much against the congress party. Well, actually the politics in India is million times worst than US, jsut so you can get the pic. I have never been a fan of congress and Gandhi Family since they were the ruling party after Independence and are responsible for destroying the foundation. Having said that, BJP and Atal Bihari Bajpai the former PM did wonders for the country in the last six years. I know this becasue my family was not very affluent and we were middle class(middle class over there is like poor class) over here. But now we are doing much much better. Perviously only very rich could afford a car and even if he had one it would use it rarely because of petrol being so expensive. Last 4 to 5 years people can buy cars like in America, they can afford to drive their car to work etc. Taht is a sharp contrast to what I had seen before. This all happened because of the free trade policies by BJP government. What I would think is that the country which was in doom for decades showed vast improvement in last six years. Agreed that IT boom iddnot do much for farmers and rural community but Iwould think when the whole countries economy is improving the wealth is going to trickle down to the rural areas. I was getting a feeling of reduction in the corruption too. Basically it was an upward trend for the country after decades. Peace talks with Pakistan is a majopr achievement. But I guess they failed to convince the poor that they are good for the country and for the poor, so they lost. Elections in India is also a joke to some extent. Parties can make the poor people vote just by giving a bottle of liquor and some food or some cash, but educated people are soemtimes so confused as to who to vote because the politician also change their parties often and so they just don't go and vote. In this election also Congress is not a majority but they will form a party by support of other parties like communist party from Bengal and some individual parties from southern states. Most of the BJP cabinet ministers were educated poeple and experienced in politics where congress party has people who cannot read or write, it scares me about the decisions they make. Sonia Gandhi's son who won in Amethi has been living in England and is a marketing guy, zero experience in Politics esp Indian Politics. India needs someone who can stand strong inspite of all the corruption around them. I don't know if that will happen with so many internal fights among the party leaders. But I am keeping my fingers crosssed. BJP has paved a way to better future I pray that congress will continue. Also BJP has learned a lesson, maybe they forgot the poor and were over confident and didn't campaign properly, so they paid a price. I hdon't have much faith in congress but I am going to keep an open mind. Sorry for such a long post.

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Fri, 05-14-2004 - 3:10pm
>>>I can't believe these prisoners are nice, calm, perfect people.......................<<<


Up to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested "by mistake,' according to coalition intelligence officers cited in a Red Cross report disclosed Monday

http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~2139895,00.html

"Ex-Iraq interrogator says many prisoners innocent

A former U.S. interrogator at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail says that many of its prisoners are innocent Iraqis, picked up at random by U.S. troops and questioned by underqualified intelligence officers.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=506202&section=news

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