Bizarre Bulldozer Story

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Bizarre Bulldozer Story
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Sat, 06-05-2004 - 12:42pm
Residents of this mountain tourist town of 2,200 described a bizarre scene as the bulldozer slowly crashed through buildings, trees and lampposts, with dozens of officers walking ahead or behind it, firing into the machine and shouting at townspeople to flee.

"It looked like a futuristic tank," said Rod Moore, who watched the dozer rumble past within 15 feet of his auto garage and towing company.

One officer, later identified as Trainor, was perched on top, firing shot after shot into the top and once dropping an explosive down the exhaust pipe.

"He just kept shooting," Moore said. "The dozer was still going. He threw what looked like a flash-bang down the exhaust. It didn't do a thing..."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040605/D830SQHG0.html

Renee

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 11:30am
We are not all like Heymeer and just waiting for the right situation to loose it.




I don't agree.

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 11:38am
A personal attack??? Get real; that's no more a personal attack then when you keep saying I'm missing your point. I get you're point. I disagree with it.

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Hopefully it moves us past you dismissing my comments because you believe I just don't get it. Why don't we just start from the position that we are both are reasonably intelligent, educated, insightful, socially aware, and sensitive people and attempt to discuss the situation from there?

Renee

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 12:09pm
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My point is that most people have the resiliency to find solutions, some better and more successful than others, to their problems. A smooth talking charmer would have smoozed a way out of the situation perhaps selling his property to someone when he figured out metaphorically which way the wind was blowing. Someone else might have ended up declaring bankruptcy and starting over perhaps in a new town. The vast majority of people would have resolved the issue one way or another (many with a lot of difficulty, anger, and bitterness, but still able to continue on with their lives) long before Heymeer did and would never have gotten to the breaking point.

As for that breaking point, where and when and how each of us reaches it, and what we do at that point reveals who we are. We are not all a Heymeer. Some of us are Auchwizch survivors or POWs who have lived through hell and gone on to have productive, loving lives. Some of us have witnesses a family member raped or murdered in front of us, and we live with the pain and guilt and we struggle with it every day and we have not been able to keep a steady job or maintain a relationship since, but we hang on and learn to cope. Some of us have lost our savings and our homes, and have been humiliated and taken advantage of in the worst way, but at some point we say, this is where I'm at and I can either choose to start again or sink further into the abyss.

Renee

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 12:29pm

You know what?


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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 12:52pm
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My point is that when we and our loved ones are not physically threatened, only a very very few of us do not have the resiliency cope with whatever situation we face in a more responsible manner than Heymeer, note I don't say in a responsible manner, just more responsible than trying to kill or be killed.

Renee

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 12:53pm
>>For Heymeer to engineer that 'tank' required a lot of forsight and planning, so this isn't a case of someone just snapping.<<

Perhaps he reached his 'breaking point' prior to the incident and this was just the fall-out?

Or perhaps he just reacted in an unhealthy way that could have been prevented by a social safety net, the concern of a friend, whatever.

How do we know which it is?

>>Most people have at least a degree of resiliency that pulls them back even if they on occasion are in danger of going over jumping off the cliff, and even when most of us reach our breaking point, over a nonviolent situation, it doesn't include homicide or suicide. <<

I don't know... How many people actually reach that point? How do we know how we'll react?

I think because it's that point of no return, it would be reacted to in a rather unsubtle, 'grand' sort of way. I would not be surprised if homicide or suicide (or just 'terrorism') is the 'normal' reaction. You've got nothing to lose at that point, right?

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 1:51pm
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If that were the case, it would be relatively common.

Renee

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 2:09pm
That's one reason, among many,

 


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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 3:13pm
>>If that were the case, it would be relatively common.<<

Only if people reach their 'breaking point' fairly often.

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Wed, 06-09-2004 - 4:40pm
"That's more akin to someone in a fit of passion ramming their car into the object of their rage."

Not really, as first we'd have to either steal the vehicle or construct it ourselves, both of which have happened. It's not something which "just happened" on a sudden, freak impulse.

"Still not something that 'all' of us would do."

Didn't say it was, just that it's not quite as singular an event as you were playing it out to be.

"We are not all like Heymeer and just waiting for the right situation to loose it."

All that was said was that the *potential* was there, and it is, to a greater or lesser degree depending on the individual and the particular circumstances. All of us have a breaking point.


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