Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
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Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
| Sun, 06-13-2004 - 2:23pm |
"...and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell ’em what they should think, what to do.â€
That's exactly what democrats want--to tell the American people what we should think and what we should do. Unbelievable, he just gave away their secret! I'm glad I can think for myself, thank you.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5050832/
And how about the celebrity turnout for the premiere? Not a real shocker to see Martin Sheen, Demi Moore, Drew Barrymoore, et al excited to be there. And how about Camryn Manheim who was also there, quoted, "A lot of us look to Michael Moore to uncover the real truth." ROFL.
*sigh* These people...


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Well, in regards to BfC it's because I know the facts of many of the matters he addressed. Firearms, firearms law and history is something of a hobby of mine, and I've acquired enough knowledge and ability to research to be aware of several of his claims which are short of facttual. His penchant for manipulation of facts and fabrication of them at need is also pretty obvious when you know what to look for.
As I noted before, I'm not speaking of specifics in regards to F-9/11, but of his history of being significantly less-than-honest in his previous works. I can find no reason to believe he has changed with the making of F-9/11.
But, with that said, from reports on the movie one of his claims is that Bush stole the 2000 election, something patently untrue as shown by the repeated countings of *valid* ballots cast in Florida. And since when you're dealing with a "documentary" you're supposed to be dealing with objective facts and non-fiction, that little piece of fabrication and personal opinion has little place being included in that class of cinema.
"...but I absolutely applaud him for trying to get the country to WAKE UP and see what is really going on here."
See, this is where I have another major problem, with people buying into Moore and his particular brand of BS and blindly accepting it as the gospel when it comes to the issues he addresses. Given his history where facts and "the truth" are concerned, how can you or anyone else interested in objective fact be certain that what he's spouting in fact *IS* really "what is going on here"? He's lied and fabricated in every other work he's undertaken in recent years, why are you certain this time it's any different?
~mark~
Sounds about right to me. Well stated.
Jim
>"They just take all of our US money and then bash America. We need to wake up as a nation and not tolerate this behavior. They all need to get on a boat and sail away with Michael Moore as their captain."<
Quote from her/his post # 7. My reply
But when we turn the question around and ask how they can be so certain that Moore is correct and factual in F-9/11, they have nothing of substance to go on. I find that they tend to "hope" he's right, to "believe" that he's being factual, in many cases simply because they happen to share his political views, but beyond that nothing of substance. They don't even has his previous works to support their contention, precisely because those works are so factually deficient.
Don't get me wrong, there are those who simply want to wait and see what this movie has to say before rendering a verdict, and there is of course objective merit in that position. But those aren't the individuals already lauding Moore to the skies and praising him for "exposing the truth" and "telling it like it is" in F-9/11, so to speak. Those individuals like Moore's views, therefore they must be accurate and correct. To my mind that's even worse than pre-emptively judging F-9/11 based on previous Moore efforts at "documentaries". At least we have his previous works to go on, what do they have to work with other than similarities in political viewpoint?
~mark~
Even if I felt this were true (and I don't), I would have far less of a problem with a filmmaker being guilty of fabrication, than, say, the president. Moore is trying to send a message about an administration he doesn't agree with. Bush is sending 18 year olds overseas to be killed for oil, while he assures us that this will protect us from another 9/11 and that Iraqis are begging for our help.
Funny you should mention ppl. who blindly accept what one man says...
Clearly. But is it not supposed to be a democracy?
SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, now I was about to say the same thing about Bush...
There are very few people in this world I would have to vote for Bush for, fortunately in this election I am not in that position.
James
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"IF YOU FEEL THAT STRONGLY ABOUT THIS COUNTRY THEN MOVE OUT OF IT. IT IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY SO FEEL FREE TO PACK YOUR BAGS AND BE ON YOUR WAY.
VOTE GEORGE W. IN 2004!!!!! "
with this comment:
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I responded to what you said to them by saying that while someone might not love what his or her country is doing at a particular moment in history, it doesn't lessen the love the person might have for that country. For example, I myself have no qualms about saying I love this country. Doesn't mean I have any faith in the way it's being run at the moment.
Anyway, my comment wasn't out of context...I was just butting in. ;o) Unless you were being sarcastic in your response to the other person?
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