Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

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Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
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Sun, 06-13-2004 - 2:23pm

"...and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell ’em what they should think, what to do.”


That's exactly what democrats want--to tell the American people what we should think and what we should do. Unbelievable, he just gave away their secret! I'm glad I can think for myself, thank you.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5050832/


And how about the celebrity turnout for the premiere? Not a real shocker to see Martin Sheen, Demi Moore, Drew Barrymoore, et al excited to be there. And how about Camryn Manheim who was also there, quoted, "A lot of us look to Michael Moore to uncover the real truth." ROFL.


*sigh* These people...

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Registered: 06-02-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 12:29pm
>>> but why are you always comparing F-9/11 to The Passion?? <<

Because they both are controversial films and both directors had difficulty finding distributers and because both directors took a lot of flak. Just as I supported mel gibsons right to express his convictions through his filmmaking, I supports moores right, whether I fully agree with the content of both films isn't the issue.

alfreda


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Registered: 06-02-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 12:36pm
>>>Did anyone see the clip of Michael Moore asking one of the members of congress to send one of HIS sons off to war??? <<

Yes I did and frankly I don't think that was a fair question, parents do not have control over the career choices of their adult children. Just because adult children don't choose to join the military shouldn't be used as an indictment against our congressmen, republican or democrat.

alfreda

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 12:41pm
"Lets come up with another approach, for once in our American lives let not take our freedom or our government for granted anymore( new concept ) and appreciate what we have because before 9/11 we all thought we were safe. NOT ANYMORE . Back our president, whether you agree or disagree, the man has done alot and if it were not for Bush we would be worse off if it was Gore( look at what Clinton did for his term) NOTHING"

Can you not see that when you demand that we all "back our president" and follow your lead you are infringing upon *my* freedom of speech? I am not taking my freedom or government for granted. I take it very seriously. I love this country passionately as I'm sure you do. It's the reason I speak out. Because I love this country and my government (though not in it's current form) that's the very reason I speak out. Because I think this country has gone horribly awry. You have every right to speak out in support of the president if you feel he's doing a good job. But when you demand that I do so as well, you've crossed a line.

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 12:51pm
"Since I have not seen the movie and have only seen clips in the media and in ads for it, can you tell me if you're referring to Bush's "arrogant indifference" on the golf course? Are there other scenes?"

-There is the scene on the golf course.

-There is footage just before and just after his announcement that we were going to war.

Bush is seen callously joking around and smirking with the staff.

-There is the expression on his face as he sits there for seven minutes after being notified that both towers had been hit.

-There's the comments he makes at a fundraising dinner.To the "haves and Have mores or as he refers to them ... his base"

There are several other scenes but these are a few that affected me in particular.Even if you totally eliminate Moore's commentary, it's Bush's own behavior that is the most damning in this movie.

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 12:57pm
"No one says that we can't have differing opinions but one of the biggest problems with this country in the last 30 years - thank you Watergate and Vietnam - is that we don't stand behind our leaders."

How can I stand behind a leader when I believe what he is doing is morally wrong? Am I just supposed to ignore the fact that he's doing something I believe to be a sin and worse doing it in my name??

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 1:01pm
Like I said we haven't found anything substantive. And thanks for dredging up the same tired article from World Net daily... the one that hasn't ever been picked up anywhere else. That pretty much answers my question. "Yet" will last forever and you will keep insisting that signifigant WMD's exist for all eternity. I guess that's one way to avoid acknowledging that a mistake was made.

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 1:12pm
"Yes I did and frankly I don't think that was a fair question, parents do not have control over the career choices of their adult children. Just because adult children don't choose to join the military shouldn't be used as an indictment against our congressmen, republican or democrat."


It's one of my least favorite parts of the film I really don't care for the contrivances that MM uses. What I liked most about this film is that he kept those contrived scenes to a minimum. That said I do think it's worth noting that of all the congressmen only one has a child in the military. Considering they're responsible for sending our son's and daughters to war.

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Registered: 06-28-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 1:25pm
And if you believe that rhetoric I have some beachfront property in AZ to sell you.

I actually went back and put in all my tax info from 2002 into 2003 form's just to see if there really was a tax cut for the middle class and I would have saved $1000 if those new tax laws had been in effect in 2002. I am of the middle class. The reason why I used those figures is because I wanted to see what the difference would be and we had different income figures between 2002 and 2003. I bet if alot of people did that they would see that they actually had a tax cut. Not everyone in the middle class but a good majority.

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Registered: 06-02-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 1:35pm
>>> That said I do think it's worth noting that of all the congressmen only one has a child in the military. Considering they're responsible for sending our son's and daughters to war.<<

On this I agree, from the mouths of our military, there was some serious issues with the suits in the pentagon and white house who seemed to have deaf ears to the expert opinions of those uniform and have served overseas or in combat. i do think it incumbent on our civilian leadership to listen to the advice of their military since they may not know what its like to be in a combat or don't have to sacrifice their family when they make decisions to go to war.

Zinni's own words regarding his book "Battle Ready"But even as an envoy, Zinni spoke out against invading Iraq, regarding it as disastrous for Middle East peace and a distraction from the war against terrorism. Today, he said getting rid of Saddam Hussein was not worth the price.

"He's a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go," Zinni said. "But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded - some of them terribly - $US200 billion ($286.8 billion) of our treasury and counting, and our reputation and our image in the world, particularly in that region, shattered."

"One of Zinni's responsibilities while commander-in-chief at Centcom was to develop a plan for the invasion of Iraq. Like his predecessors, he subscribed to the belief that you only enter battle with overwhelming force.

But Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld thought the job could be done with fewer troops and high-tech weapons.

How many troops did Zinni’s plan call for? “We were much in line with Gen. Shinseki's view,”...Zinni believes this was a war the generals didn’t want – but it was a war the civilians wanted."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml



Having said that I stand by what I said in that I don't think moore asked a fair question. I personally think if he wanted to make a point about civilians making decisions that affect the lives of others, he should have asked why our suits in the pentagon,congress and top leaders ignored the military advice and experts.


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Registered: 06-28-2004
Thu, 07-01-2004 - 1:59pm
Of course the White House claims Farenheit 9/11 is false!! It portrays George W., and most officials, in a very negative light.

You say...

"That's exactly what democrats want--to tell the American people what we should think and what we should do. Unbelievable, he just gave away their secret! I'm glad I can think for myself, thank you."

Well, what do you think republicans want? George W. Bush not only tells us what we should think and do as a nation, he blatantly goes against the majority and carries out his own agenda.

Also, you refer to celebrities as "these people". Whether they are republican, democratic or independent, celebrities have major influence over the population. I think that it is refreshing to see the likes of Drew Barrymore and P. Diddy bringing the election into the spotlight for ages 18-30.

ci2424, are YOU really thinking for yourself?

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