Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

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Hollywood abuzz about 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
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Sun, 06-13-2004 - 2:23pm

"...and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell ’em what they should think, what to do.”


That's exactly what democrats want--to tell the American people what we should think and what we should do. Unbelievable, he just gave away their secret! I'm glad I can think for myself, thank you.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5050832/


And how about the celebrity turnout for the premiere? Not a real shocker to see Martin Sheen, Demi Moore, Drew Barrymoore, et al excited to be there. And how about Camryn Manheim who was also there, quoted, "A lot of us look to Michael Moore to uncover the real truth." ROFL.


*sigh* These people...

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 4:18pm

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You're very welcome.


<<...the one that hasn't ever been picked up anywhere else. >>


FYI, Fox News picked it up too. Hmmm... Guess all the other news networks dropped the ball on that one.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C120137%2C00.html

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 4:47pm
The general problem with MM's movies, that I have found from watching them is that they aren't documentaries as much as they are 2 hour editorial pieces. He is not very good at showing both sides of the coin. After Roger and Me, I vowed I wasn't going to waste my time on another one of Moore's movies, but then I'd heard much praise for Bowling for Columbine and decided to sit down one night and watch it. Brain cells died that night from lack of use...he didn't even pose interesting questions to think about, just repeated the same old tired arguments I could read in a newspaper or magazine.

>"If all of you with such harsh opinions about this movie don't agree with what is said then why don't you head on down to your nearest armed forces recruiter and go over to Iraq to fight in a war that is all about money and oil and nothing to do with keeping us Real Americans safe."<

Though, I don't believe the war in Iraq is or ever was all about oil, it is also an important part of our way of life. Environmentalists continue to support a ban on drilling for oil in oil-rich areas like Alaska and the bulk of our crude comes from the middle east. Our economy would be crippled if they cut off the oil. It is a scary amount of control (in all reality) for a handful of little nations to have over the U.S.

And frankly, if my husband, who proudly served in the USMC as a gunner on the CH-46, were to be called back to fight, I would proudly wear my yellow ribbon and continue to fly my flag high over my home. I greatly respect those who are willing to give their lives in service to their country (whether they agree with the cause or not). Realize that every time an American citizen spews negativity about a military situation, and generally shows a lack of support, they are not only spitting on their Commander in Chief, but the brave soldiers who are willing to die to protect them as well. It is, of course, ones right to do so, but it demeans the pride that every service member feels for the job that they are doing, and is something that should be considered before speaking.

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 4:57pm
I saw MM's "Bowling for Columbine". While he made some good points, many parts of the film made some fairly large, non-quite-logical leaps of blame and demonizing. Example, he comments on welfare to work programs, how bad they are for families and then chases down a celebrity business owner & tries to hold the busines owner responsible for the problems of welfare to work. I found this leap to be quite offensive and unfair. It's this style of documentary that turned me off to seeing F9/11. I expect my documentaries to be more factual. I'm middle of the road politically, and like the idea of questioning & digging for facts, but I can see why Republicans would be concerned. In just the way they are shot, documentaries have an air of truth to them (recall Blair witch project- I saw it before everyone had, & we left the theatre asking "did that really happen"?) The whole film can be lies, illogical or emotional propaganda & yet seem authoritative, just like the evening news can be. I'm sensitive to this, as I work in public sector locally and have seen facts, ideas, quotes twisted for personal gain, to the point where I'm appalled. And the person doing the twisting is absolutely convinced he's right, and tries to convince others the same.
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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 5:15pm

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So no one can ever claim anything is false? Even if it IS?


<"That's exactly what democrats want--to tell the American people what we should think and what we should do. Unbelievable, he just gave away their secret! I'm glad I can think for myself, thank you." >>


Actually, that statement was taken from a direct quote from someone on MM's team and it was in the article that I posted. And yes, FYI, I am not a sheep. I do not follow anyone blindly, not even Bush. I do not agree with all of his policies. But what is scary

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 5:50pm
ITA. But I find that type of sentiment/attitude scary for other reasons, as well. i am not sure if it was in that post or another that "blamed" watergate and vietnam for people questioning our leadership. Well, I disagree that was bad, and I also disagree that was the first time. I think our country went through a period of some degree of silence, particularly during the Communism scare (mcCarthism). But I am confident there was much healthy debate about leadership in previous years -- 1700s, 1800s included. I do not understand how we are to advance as a nation should we simply "follow the leader."

That, indeed, is a frightening concept to me. If you want to blindinly follow a leader simply because that is what they are, go to a country that is not a democracy, that does not have freedom of speech. I take my obligation to critcize seriously.

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 5:56pm
I saw the movie, but before even seeing it I disagreed with Bush. I'm only 22 years old and am already living in fear that he will be re-elected. Guess I'll be on that boat too.
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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 6:11pm
"why don't you talk to some of the people in MA about taxes"

Last I had heard, Kerry was a US sentator. did this change?

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 6:21pm

I actually went back and put in all my tax info from 2002 into 2003 form's just to see if there really was a tax cut for the middle class and I would have saved $1000 if those new tax laws had been in effect in 2002. I am of the middle class. The reason why I used those figures is because I wanted to see what the difference would be and we had different income figures between 2002 and 2003. I bet if alot of people did that they would see that they actually had a tax cut. Not everyone in the middle class but a good majority.


I think it is great that you saved some money, I am sure it came in very handy.

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 6:26pm
Those who see the movie are all adults. Adults can make up their own minds about what truths there are about a movie or documentary. The same way that adults can make up their own minds about whether a commercial on TV is really telling it like it is, or adventisement for a presidential candidate or party. I watch american TV and I am frequenty shocked at how misleading some of those political ads can be. But yet even though these come from people in pretty high authority, and when we get those messages essentially 'without any choice' (other than clicking OFF on the TV), to me that pales in comparison to what one gets in F 9/11 especially since everyone who will see that movie has made the decision to actually see it, and has likely heard lots of stories about it beforehand. Not to mention that Michael Moore is not 'someone in authority' that people would easily look up to and believe blindly like a senior politician.

I did see it, and while I though there was some parts I thought were a bit 'contrived' like asking members of congress whether they would encourage their children to join the army. But overall, it was very well done, and was mostly based on actual footage of Bush and other people.

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Thu, 07-01-2004 - 6:26pm
Isn't it amazing that these hollywood celebs continue to give their biased opinions and honestly think that a normal intelligent person would listen to them. Get real.

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