No al Qaeda, Iraq cooperation

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No al Qaeda, Iraq cooperation
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Thu, 06-17-2004 - 4:34am
"The panel (9/11) said it found "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The report contradicts statements from the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda.

In response, a senior administration official traveling with President Bush in Tampa, Florida, said, "We stand by what Powell and Tenet have said," referring to previous statements by Secretary of State Colin Powell and CIA Director George Tenet that described such links.

In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations that Iraq was harboring Zarqawi, a "collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants," and he said Iraq's denials of ties to al Qaeda "are simply not credible."

In September, Cheney said Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, responding to criticism of Cheney's comment, said there was no evidence Saddam's government was linked to the September 11 attacks.

Just this week Bush and Cheney have made comments alleging ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. ( Full story )

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry said, "the administration misled America."

"The administration reached too far," he told Detroit radio station WDET. "They did not tell the truth to Americans about what was happening or their own intentions."

The commission's report says bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

"Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said.

The panel also dismissed reports that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in the Czech Republic on April 9, 2000. "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."

The report said that Atta was in Virginia on April 4 -- evidenced by video that shows him withdrawing $8,000 from an ATM -- and he was in Florida by April 11 if not before.

The report also found that there was no "convincing evidence that any government financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11" other than the limited support provided by the Taliban when bin Laden arrived in Afghanistan.

The toppling of the Taliban regime "fundamentally changed" al Qaeda, leaving it decentralized and altering bin Laden's role.

Prior to the attacks, bin Laden approved all al Qaeda operations and often chose targets and the operatives himself, the report said.

"After al Qaeda lost Afghanistan after 9/11, it fundamentally changed. The organization is far more decentralized. Bin Laden's seclusion forced operational commanders and cell leaders to assume greater authority; they are now making the command decisions previously made by him," the report said.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/16/911.commission/index.html

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Mon, 06-21-2004 - 8:28pm
I am not missing any point debateguy, there are no proven links between al queda and iraq other than al q tried to get weapons and training camps set up in iraq and hussien ignored it.

>>>Now, after the fact, we find that some of the intelligence was just outright wrong, and some of it was also flawed. We did not know this at the time.<<

that is actually not true a great many experts and intelligence agencies knew much of the information, especially in regards to claims al queda/hussein/sept 11 was flawed from the get go.

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Tue, 06-22-2004 - 3:03am
Let me see if I've got this right. GWB now says there is not, nor ever was, any connection between Iraq and 9/11. But that there is a connection between Saddam and al Queda. Have I got it right so far?

Now, stop me if I get off track,...... al Queda is responsible for 9/11, but Saddam is not connected to 9/11, even though he was connected with al Queda.

I must be missing something here. This sounds like the stuff we used to do in math class. If A is equal to B, and B is equal to C, then A must be equal to C. Didn't you do stuff like that in Math, too?

So, A(l Queda is equal to world T(error), and S(addam)is equal to A(l Queda), then S must be equal to world T, right? Well, we know that's true, cuz GWB says it is.

The part I don't get is..... if A is equal to 9/11, and S is equal to A, then S must be equal to 9/11......NO? But I thought that's what GWB has been saying all along???.

I just don't get it!! Sounds like a lot of GW BS to me.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 3:52am
Are you refering to Hayashig's <<"I don't have time for your follies.">> to which debateguy responded?

Djie

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 4:23am

<<"I just don't get it!! Sounds like a lot of GW BS to me.">>....nah, the BS is of your own making! LOL!!


IF Bush wóuld have said or meant it like you do here, I'd agree. It's just....he didn't (nor did anyone else for that matter).


AQ is responsible for 9/11 (amongst others)

SH was a proven supporter

Djie

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Registered: 04-16-2003
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 10:50am
Nice try :-)! I wonder if anyone will find the flaw in the logic?
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Registered: 03-23-2003
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 11:01am
Thought I'd changed that to "ALL"...sorry.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 11:10am
Well, after watching some of the 9/11 commission hearings, I dont know where you get your facts from.

The facts came out that it was found that some of the intelligence that the decisions to go to war on were found to be wrong AFTER the fact, not before.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 11:14am
I guess you did not do well in Calculus then.

There can be a link between Iraq and al Qaeda without having a link between Iraq and 9/11.

This is the same as saying that anyone who was a shareholder of or worked for Enron is responsible for their cooking of the books.

There are several ways that a country can cooperate with a terrorist organization without taking direct part in any one specific attack. They could provide safe haven for members of the organization. They could be involved in negotiations to procure and supply WMD's for the terrorist group, etc. etc....

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Registered: 04-16-2003
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 11:14am
Please tell me how my response was an attack on a person. Here's the complete post:

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My statement is directed at the folly of holding the Congressional Record up as a legit source of information. I don't understand how you can interpret *your* (a possessive pronoun) as "you" a pronoun referencing the poster.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Tue, 06-22-2004 - 11:22am
LOL....thanks.

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