Farenheit 9/11 put in perspective

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Farenheit 9/11 put in perspective
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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 9:59am
Its a frickin film! You know...just like Armogeddon, The Day After Tomorrow, and Bowling For Columbine? No need to crap a farking brick over it. Its amazing how some people can get so worked up over another person's opinion. Its even more amazing that some people take HOLLYWOOD CREATIONS as truths! Yeah, I saw it. I laughed because I know that the film is skewed far left but he does make very good points. After I got out of the theater, two guys got into a brawl over it in the parking lot....over...a...frickin...MOVIE. And you wonder why some people have less and less faith in the American people? We're acting like morons over the most trivial stuff. No need to yell at other people to get out of the country, no need to proclaim the word of Michael Moore as truth. If you're so deadset on what you believe, then you can watch the film as entertainment and acknowledge its existence, right? Why do you get so offended by it? It always amuses me how people generally have the opinion of "Yeah I believe in freedom of speech as long as it conforms with what I believe in." In the words of my mother, "GROW UP!"

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:20pm


because some of it seems sketchy or at least skewed, but I haven't enough proof to be able to state that "yes, it is indeed wrong and inaccurate".



I never said that people who choose to see Moore's film are the type to take things at verbatim, now did I? I did however say that those who DO take things verbatim are ignorant and stupid. Please don't put words into my mouth.



If you are going to believe everything you hear , then yes, you are stupid sheep.

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:25pm


If you would read my original post, my bone to pick was the fact that people act as if Michael Moore is suppose to be the the God of Truth. I don't see how telling people to think for themsleves is biased in any way. If you think so, I'd like for you to explain for me.
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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:28pm
After reading all your posts, I don't seem to have understood your point of the argument. Are you arguing for arguments sake? What error have I commited to find it depressing that people are taking a hollywood production as truth? What error have I commited to laugh at those who get riled up over a person's (although well known person) opinion? The only thing that I have said is unacceptable is believing everything that you are told. I don't think I see anything faulty in that opinion.
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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:33pm
>>>because some of it seems sketchy or at least skewed, but I haven't enough proof to be able to state that "yes, it is indeed wrong and inaccurate<<<

you haven't got proof that it was sketchy? You either saw the movie and felt that some parts were inaccurate and could point them out or you can't.

>>>If you would read my original post, my bone to pick was the fact that people act as if Michael Moore is suppose to be the the God of Truth.<<

which people? and couldn't you have a bone to pick with those that claim to be the god of liars?

>>>>I never said that people who choose to see Moore's film are the type to take things at verbatim, now did I

you said>>>I'm sorry but if people are so dumb to think that Michael Moore, after publicly proclaiming "Shame on you Mr. Bush", is going to be impartial, then perhaps there really isn't much hope for finding any intelligence in America anymore<<


>>>>If you are going to believe everything you hear , then yes, you are stupid sheep.<<<

You can hardly claim that people are dumb enough to think he is the god of truth, when you can't even point out in the film what is an untruth.

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:39pm
>>> What error have I commited to laugh at those who get riled up over a person's (although well known person) opinion? <<

i made no mention of this.

>>>What error have I commited to find it depressing that people are taking a hollywood production as truth?<<

But you haven't shown which people are taking it as truth, and you haven't pointed out where the untruths are?

>>>Are you arguing for arguments sake?<<

This is a debate board.

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:42pm


If everything is so black and white to you then kudos to you. For me, I want to find out the background facts that the movie doesn't show.



If you look at the "hollywood abuzz about 9/11" post, you'll see that some people are posting posts such as "you just can't handle the TRUTH!" And no, Michael Moore does not claim to be the God of Truth. He's just a very opinionated director. Sorry that you can't tell the difference.

>>I'm sorry but if people are so dumb to think that Michael Moore, after publicly proclaiming "Shame on you Mr. Bush", is going to be impartial, then perhaps there really isn't much hope for finding any intelligence in America anymore<< >

That I did. That statement still does not encompass ALL people who see F9/11. It does, however, address those people who naively think that they're going to see a news broadcast.



Unlike you, I'm not going to jump to conclusions on what is truth and untruth. I will, however, point out parts that seem skeptical and do further research. Can you deny that the people claiming this film is "THE TRUTH THAT THE RIGHT CAN'T HANDLE!" are making a rather unwise statement?

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:46pm


Read the "hollywood" post. Look on any liberal message board. There's people claiming it to be the truth. Do your own research.

As for pointing out what the untruths are: the reasons to every act that Bush has done that MM has condemed. His tax cuts, his executive orders, everything that he has done during these past 3.5 years must have a reason. He did not commit them simply because he's an evil bastard, as MM atttempts to make the people believe.
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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 1:54pm
Moore has represented it as an "op-ed" piece. And anyone who is "manipulated" by anything in the movie is someone who would have a hard time thinking for themself.

For those who are so sorked up about it, I wonder, have you seen it? Or are you just going on reviews and other people's opinions?

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 2:01pm
>>>For me, I want to find out the background facts that the movie doesn't show.<,

well present them? Have you seen the movie and examined some of the things that you feel were inaccurate?

>>If you look at the "hollywood abuzz about 9/11" post, you'll see that some people are posting posts such as "you just can't handle the TRUTH!" <<

"some people on a message board" does not represent the vast majority of society that goes and sees the movie does it?

>>It does, however, address those people who naively think that they're going to see a news broadcast.<,

On this I will agree, there are many naive people who think what fox news says is fact and truth, just as there are those that think every documentary or history book presents an unbiased view.

>>>And no, Michael Moore does not claim to be the God of Truth. He's just a very opinionated director. Sorry that you can't tell the difference.<<

oh but I have stated on numerous occasions on numerous threads that he is biased, but I see you are resorting to personal insults.


>>Unlike you, I'm not going to jump to conclusions on what is truth and untruth.<<

I haven't made any conclusions, I am asking YOU to discuss the parts of the movie that you felt were inaccurate and somehow you are not able to come up with them. I am quite open to exploring your concerns and have on several posts stated that some of the things he presented didn't seem fair.


>>.Can you deny that the people claiming this film is "THE TRUTH THAT THE RIGHT CAN'T HANDLE!" are making a rather unwise statement?<<

They are entitled to their opinion, I may not agree with it because I think it unfair to make a blanket statement about people on the right anymore than it is about people on the left. However sometimes the truth is painful and there seems to be some things in moore's film that is disturbing and many are desperately trying to discredit. Facts are bin laden family were given permission to fly on the 13 and then leave the country between the 14 and 24, yet some people claim moore lied (even though the commission report supports what moore showed in the film). It is interesting to note that those who keep claiming moore lied about this have not answered the question central to moore's point. why were the bin ladens given permission to fly on the 13 and leave the united states thereafter?

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Mon, 06-28-2004 - 2:09pm
so now you want me to go and explore another debate on another thread or message board. I am having a discussion with you on this thread and I asked you what inaccuracies bothered you and you can't tell me?????


>>>>As for pointing out what the untruths are: the reasons to every act that Bush has done that MM has condemed<<

specifically? can you give me one example?


>>> He did not commit them simply because he's an evil bastard, as MM atttempts to make the people believe.<<<

what his film did was question the motivation behind some policy decisions, which is not unique to moore but something both sides of the political party do. If you are going to ciritisize moore as being a liar because he does this then you had better be careful because republicans are no different when it comes to questioning motives.

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