Thoughts on Farenheit 911...(m)

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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 10:58am
From those who actually SAW it...This is my critique from the Politics board.

Just got back from the theater....A very good documentary or what ever you want to consider it. I laughed ALOT which actually in itself is kind of sad. I also cried a little. Did I walk away angry? maybe a little. What did I learn that I didn't know before? The extent of the Bush family and their ties to the Bin Ladens and Saudi Arabia. If we don't question this as citizens of this country then we live with the consequences. If what Michael Moore says is untrue than why don't they sue him??? I have heard nothing from them at all. After seeing this movie I was surprised that the best argument that I have seen that this movie is made up is the part about the senator and his son being in the military. With so much to work with and that is the BIG LIE you all come up with??? Have I missed something while being on vacation??? To many funny parts to go into but one of my favorites was the scene with Ashcroft running aganist the Dead Guy in Missouri and losing. As a proud Missourian I can tell you that was sooooo true and everyone in the theater clapped at that part. But do not fear Republicans I think the hype is pretty much over, the theater was half empty. Also I will add that Michael Moore did not let the

democrats off easy either. He made it perfectly clear that they took it up the back side on the 2000 election. I understand that their hands were tied with what happened in Florida and this country could not afford to be without a Government while they fought the injustices that were done but it still painful to watch. For anyone reading this who is still not sure who to vote for, go see this movie and when you walk out think about why the Bush family is not defending themselves aganist this so call "Fictional" movie.

Let me ad that I am NOT a Michael Moore fan and have never seen his work before. The fact is that News Footage does not lie, paper trails don't lie the actual words spoken by this President don't lie...Any time the Bush family wants to discredit what was said.....I'll be waiting....


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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 11:50am
No we're communicating just fine. I understand your point and that you understood mine as well. I suppose I was just trying to elaborate further and trying to explain what was going through my mind as I was writing that other post. Your post just reminded me of what I was thinking at the time.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 11:53am
That's OK. I just didn't want to be putting words into MM's mouth. Perhaps my interpretation as to what he was trying to say was all wrong in any case.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:45pm
I'm sorry if I caused any problems by posting a new thread but the other one was so large I could not find actual critiques of the movie by those who saw it. I guess I should have explained myself better. But it doesn't matter because it looks like this thread is turning out like the other thread. Again I apologize.
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:52pm
No apology needed. The other thread was getting rather lengthy. As you see in any good discussion topics have a way of branching out. Chris
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:59pm
It's posts like yours that make me thankful I'm Liberal and Not Hateful, you are a "credit" to your party. I wanted to hear from any side that saw the movie. There is much more to it than what has been noted in the posts and the media. Sorry if my wording was not up to your standards.
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:29pm
I just ran across an article in "Slade" that I think belongs in the thread. I did see the movie, and read much of the post in the other 9/11 thread. Particularly, about the validity of the Saudis being flown out on Sept. 13 er 14. This article provides some evidence in support of the movie.

FYI, Craig Unger is the author of House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties.

From: Craig Unger

To: Rachel Bronson

Subject: Entering the End-Game Stage

Tuesday, July 6, 2004, at 2:00 PM PT

After months on the talk show circuit, it's a rare pleasure to encounter someone who is not from the Jerry Springer school of politics. That said, I will try to stick to the facts.

It's not hard to argue that the Bush administration has given a pass to the Saudis. Consider the confirmation hearings of Robert Jordan as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia just 10 days after 9/11. "Tragedies of this magnitude show us who our real friends are. ... " Jordan said. "We seek to build an international coalition against terrorism. They have answered that call superbly."

Not a word, of course, about the role of Saudis in the attacks that killed 3,000 people. Or how wealthy Saudis helped fund terrorism.

Jordan, a former lawyer at Baker Botts (that's James Baker's firm), was accompanied at the hearing by another Baker Botts partner who helped expand the firm's Middle East practice. That's a basic point that my book and Fahrenheit 9/11 share—cracking down on the Saudi role in terror takes a back seat to oil-industry interests.

Jordan's sentiments have been echoed repeatedly by the Bush White House. There's been enormous Saudi resistance toward investigating Saudi charities that fund terrorism, but nothing about that from the White House. In Ron Suskind's The Price of Loyalty, former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill makes it clear that the Saudis have not been cooperative.

In addition, every time the Saudis say they're going to crack down on al-Qaida, something happens that shows the Saudis are really being torn in two directions at once. For example, after various al-Qaida terrorist attacks, Interior Minister Prince Nayef and Crown Prince Abdullah have actually pointed the finger at Zionists rather than at al-Qaida. But nary a peep out of the White House.

At least you're agnostic about to the Saudi evacuation. The 9/11 commission has been tougher on the administration than I expected, but remember that it's a bipartisan commission that is supposed to come up with a consensus—not a great recipe if you're looking for truth. Not surprisingly, there are divisions within the commission on partisan lines. Not surprisingly, their interim report on the Saudi evacuation is deeply unsatisfying.

Let me give just one example. The report says that the first Saudi flight took place on Sept. 14. But the first flight actually took place a day earlier, on Sept. 13, when restrictions on private planes were still in place. That means it took place when permission to fly was required from the highest levels of our government. I gave them this information months ago. Since then it has been corroborated by airport authorities in Tampa, Fla. When the commission knowingly omits crucial information, that suggests politics is involved.

Then there's Richard Clarke. True, he is a fierce critic of the Bush White House who has said that the Saudi evacuation was correct. But Clarke is also a brilliant and savvy bureaucrat who has been candid in saying he was part of that decision. Do you really expect him to characterize what he did as stupid or wrong? When I interviewed him, he told me that he granted approval for the Saudi departure contingent on it being vetted by the FBI. In the end, he said, "I have no idea if they did a good job." Given the FBI's sorry history, I have a hard time believing in their infallibility. One of the commission's findings is that the FBI did not even check the Saudi passengers against their terror watch list—an astonishing and horrifying oversight just a few days after 9/11.

Finally, there's the Iraq war. On this score, I agree with you completely. George W. Bush is not his father's son, and as a result I believe the Bush-Saud relationship has entered the end-game stage. I bet Bush Sr. and James Baker are secretly horrified at what young Bush has done.

I also believe Bush's policies are leaving the United States with the worst of both worlds. On the one hand, we are giving the Saudis a pass on terrorism. On the other, thanks to the Iraq war, no moderate Arab leader can risk being friends with us. The U.S.-Saudi relationship may be coming to an end. And when it comes to our energy needs, that could leave us running on empty.

All correspondence can be found at

http://slate.msn.com/id/2103239/entry/2103433/

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:53pm
>>On the other, thanks to the Iraq war, no moderate Arab leader can risk being friends with us. The U.S.-Saudi relationship may be coming to an end. And when it comes to our energy needs, that could leave us running on empty.<<

Not only our energy situation but what about our "War on Terror." This senerio could only be a bennifit for Al Queda.

Thanks for posting this it was quite interesting.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:30pm
Don't apologize!

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:30pm
Good article. Thanks

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:36pm

Hey, thanks for the "FYI". It's a little late since I haven't posted on this thread since the "misunderstanding" long ago. But, just to be clear, I never posted anything about the movie. I simply gave my opinion on why the bush people are ignoring this movie and not fighting back. She never made it clear to me (and another poster was "mistaken" as well) that all she wanted was opinions from people who've actually seen the movie, regardless of the topic.

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