Fiscally Conservative & Social Liberal?
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| Mon, 07-26-2004 - 9:55pm |
Perhaps you could be
A. Conservative on Both
B. Moderate fiscally and moderate socially
C. Liberal on Both.
It just seem difficult if not impossible to be Fiscally conservative and socially liberal and here is why.
Most liberal programs increase gov't control over private institutions, increase spending on issues, or increase red tape, etc. This all adversly affects efficiency or causes increases in gov't spending. Both of which a fiscal conservative would be against. Yet I hear this uddered all the time. I wonder if it is a way of presenting yourself as not one of the extremes on either side. You certainly can get labeled when you say I'm a conservative or I'm a liberal. So you play both sides of the fence.
I'm not convinced it is not possible it just seems unlikely. It would seem in every case you would end up being a moderate or liberal if you support liberal social programs because of their restriction on the free market or their inherent cost from tax payer coffers.

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One can believe that not all corporations are greedy and not all rich people don't want to help, and not all republicans want to keep their money, and yet still believe that people (especially children) should not rely on something as ... unreliable.... as charity. Furthermore, some of us believe that it's demeaning to people. That instead, some things should be a basic human right. Not everything should be provided by the government, but in my opinion, basic education and basic healthcare should be in that list.
I still don't see what your comment had to do with the reality that people who are poor aren't typically living in the same neighborhood as rich people.
BTW - it is still a fact that the richer people are, the less percentage of their income they give to charities. Surprising but true..
Who says I am angry?? You assume too much in your frevor!!!! I am not offended by the words--I am offended by how they got there and why!!!!We live in a Constitutional Republic based in part by the precept of the separation of church and state and Freedom of religon (to worship or not as you so desire). I CARE about American Heritage--it is what has made this country great--you want an example of a place where this precept does not exist go live in Iran or Iraq or Afghanistan for awhile
"Not everything should be provided by the government, but in my opinion, basic education and basic healthcare should be in that list."
"The government" provides out of monies collected out of earning, therefore,
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"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favour...a day of public Thanksgiving be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness." -- October 3, 1789
Or perhaps you could explain the "fervor" that caused Abraham Lincoln to dare mention God: "That we here highly resolve...that this nation -- under God -- shall have a rebirth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." -- November 19, 1863
The words "one nation, under God" actually came from this passage in the Gettysburg address. They are, indeed, very much a part of our heritage. The hope for unity during and after the Civil War was a desperate one, and in all honesty, most thought it impossible without God's blessings and intercessions. At that time, the notion of praying to God for help was considered normal -- not freaky or outlandish, as it is today. In the 1950s, following two devastating wars and serious political infighting/fallout over the McCarthy hearings, the US congress sought a way, once again, to unify the country, and to beseech God's favor, as our founders throughout history have done.
During the American Revolution, most state constitutions provided for freedom of conscience and the separation of church and state. The absence of those same rights in the Constitution of the United States, drawn up in 1787, caused many to vote against ratifying it. The first Congress of the United States, therefore, called for certain amendments to the Constitution; these amendments became the Bill of Rights. The first right granted in the Constitution guaranteed separation of church and state on the national level and the free exercise of religious beliefs. The authors of the Constitution provided for a secular state, one based not on religion but on toleration and liberty of conscience. Influenced by the ideals of the Enlightenment that promoted individualism, liberty, and free inquiry, as well as by the examples set by the middle colonies, the Founding Fathers committed the nation to protecting minority viewpoints and beliefs.
My comments were born from hayasig's response. This topic would have ended up in another debate about the evil of coroporations and rich people and how we need the gov't to protect and provide for people. I simply didn't feel like debating that topic again.
To tell you the truth I have to go back and reread the posts to figure out how we got here from there. But of course we have spun way off course in these later posts and we're debating seperation of church and state (which isn't in the Constitution by the way). Gotta love messageboards....never know where we are gonna end up.
I swear I think we could post a recipe for a cake, hayasig would complain the cake mix companies are beating down the little man, treehugger would think they are polluting the environment, someone would complain that we shouldn't call angel food cake "angel" because it mentions religion or it violates the first commandment. I'd say its capitalism so leave it alone we don't need anymore laws, Libraone would tell me I'm wrong cause I'm me and we'd all end up debating the rebel flag on the top of the General Lee from the Dukes of Hazzard because of some mention of color in the cake receipe.
Man its fun...I swear this is the greatest messageboard I'm a member of...
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