Russian hostage crisis ended

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Russian hostage crisis ended
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 8:42am
I have just learned -- not so much thanks to our US news mind you, but the internet about the bloody end to the hostage situation. www.bbc.com has a very thorough article and a time line and some amazingly sad pictures.

My prayers and positive thoughts all go to the people who are suffering in this crisis today. It's heart breaking. Devastating. Why would people hurt children? What's it worth?

I don't understand this world. All I can do is pray for peace and for the health of the families who have suffered today. And for those who have died -- which for now are few. Praying hard no one else dies.

Kelly

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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 3:54pm

The poster is refering to the history of treating these emergency situations in Russia.

 


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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 5:59pm
It is understood that this incident resulted from the actions of terrorists. Sorry, I did not think I had to spell that out for you. Regardless of what the terrorists have done, it is the responsibility of the government to do what they can to protect the victims, especially innocent children. Putin could have handled this better than he did. Do not read any more into my post than what was written. If I wanted to hold the terrorists harmless, I would have stated that.
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 6:02pm
Please read my comments to independentgirl. They obviously apply to you too and what my signature says is not your concern nor is it relevant to this discussion.
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 6:05pm
Thank you libraone. I am glad that some of us are still able to read and interpret things as they are meant.
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 6:17pm
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Apology accepted. I am not a mindreader so don't assume I am privy to your thoughts. I merely responded to your comments. Considering the lack of any mention of the culpability of the muslim terrorists, I needed some clarification. Hence my post to you.

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From what I have read, it was the actions of the muslim terrorists firing at the children while fleeing, IOW, shooting them in their backs, that caused the soldiers to fire back.

In your highly enlightened mind, how would you have handled the situation?




Edited 9/3/2004 7:01 pm ET ET by independentgrrrl

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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 11:58pm
I am well aware of the incidents that the post referred to. It has no bearing on this situation. I will ask again....when you see children running toward you because they escaped unexpectantly and terrorists shooting at the children and you stand there with a rifle what would you ahve done? Shoot I would expect and if you wouldn't then the discussion ends here. Then all hell breaks loose.

Yea blame it on Putin and his past mistakes...makes perfect sense.

And yes it sounds like mass confusion but it doesn't sound ill planned it sounds like a natural reaction when someone is shooting at a child. But I guess the soldiers should have stood by and watched these escaping children be gunned down because it might have unintended consequences.

Please.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 12:06am
I read your response and found it lacking. While you did not absolve the terrorist from fault you placed fault, at least partially, for the deaths on Putin and the Russian army.

Pray tell how would you have resolved the situation? They were in a no win situation.

Following your logic...I suppose the men who fought off the terrorists on Flight 93, seized control of the plane only to see it crashed in a field should be blamed at least partially for the deaths of the passengers. What with such an ill conceived plan and all.

The sole fault for the deaths of these people were the terrorists.

And your signature is certainly not my concern. In fact I love it. Split the vote. Uh oh...sounds like another ill conceived plan....but I like yours much better.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 8:43am
How horrifying. I am literally speechless by your senseless, thoughtless comments. These people are VICTIMS -- not of their government, but of militant Islamists bent on destroying decency in this world. The blood of hundreds of children is on THEIR hands. And, it should be said, the news agencies are just this morning reporting that, in fact, the terrorists inside the building did strike first by detonating an explosive device inside the school. The explosion provoked a charge by family members gathered outside for days, praying for the safety of their babies inside. If you're a parent, you understand that this sort of reaction is involuntary. But the terrorists did not care that these horrified, distraught parents only wanted their children back. No, they started SHOOTING at the mothers running toward the building. That's when the Russian army returned fire.

The sooner we stop blaming decent people for what cruel, deranged terrorists do to them, the sooner we will be able to unite globally to rid the world of these animals, and the sooner we can live in global peace.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 10:16am

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 10:35am
Well I'm glad I'm not the ONLY person you think doesn't comprehend English.

Listen, the text of her post indicated that Putin and his past actions were casting serious doubt that the hostages would be freed safely because of HIS actions.

Let us comprehend this....

Those hostages were hostages because of the terrorists. Not Putin.

Comprehend that the terrorists are at fault for the deaths, the possibility of death and any other negative outcome. Lay no blame on Putin.

Comprehend that while Tmcgoughy can speculate all she wants it doesn’t change the fact that her post laid the ground work for blaming at least some injuries and deaths on Putin.

That is wrong and so are you...

Don’t take this personal but...

¿Comprende?