Russian hostage crisis ended

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Russian hostage crisis ended
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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 8:42am
I have just learned -- not so much thanks to our US news mind you, but the internet about the bloody end to the hostage situation. www.bbc.com has a very thorough article and a time line and some amazingly sad pictures.

My prayers and positive thoughts all go to the people who are suffering in this crisis today. It's heart breaking. Devastating. Why would people hurt children? What's it worth?

I don't understand this world. All I can do is pray for peace and for the health of the families who have suffered today. And for those who have died -- which for now are few. Praying hard no one else dies.

Kelly

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Registered: 04-29-2003
Tue, 09-07-2004 - 5:15pm
You say that mature humans are capable of "more complex thinking and behavior." Agreed. But aren't they also then MORE responsible for their behavior? Isn't there ever some point where we stop analyzing the complex recesses of their highly developed psyches and just say, "That's wrong"?

BTW, I dunno who Michael McFaul is either. You posted the link, and I read it. Unfortunately, it's dinnertime and I don't have time to check out the other links right now.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 09-07-2004 - 8:16pm
Are you being deliberately ingenuous ?? Nobody here, as far as I can tell, suggests that the terrorists weren't responsible for these peoploe dying. What they ARE suggesting (and Putin agrees with them BTW, not with you) is that it could have been handled better.

There were not enough trained special forces in attendance, not enough ambulances, not enough police to remove the fleeing wounded to safety and the area was not even cordoned off and secured properly. Do you want me to continue ????

Also, the border control there is non-existent - all you have to to do is pay the police a few roubles at the checkpoint and you can merrily enter with a bootload of explosives.

None of this criticism denies that the ultimate responsibility for the deaths lies squarely with the terrorists. However, things could have been done that weren't.

Grow up a little. Life is complex.

Octagonal
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Registered: 05-18-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 8:46am
"Nobody here, as far as I can tell, suggests that the terrorists weren't responsible for these peoploe dying."

Agreed, but what was suggested is that the Russians and Putin included deserve some culpability for a number of the deaths. My contention is that while it could have been handled better, the ultimate culpability rests with the terrorists, no one else.


"There were not enough trained special forces in attendance, not enough ambulances, not enough police to remove the fleeing wounded to safety and the area was not even cordoned off and secured properly. Do you want me to continue ???? "

Please. You've explained how to handled the evacuated wounded and to secure the perimeter. Kids are still inside...you haven’t fixed that.

"Also, the border control there is non-existent - all you have to to do is pay the police a few roubles at the checkpoint and you can merrily enter with a bootload of explosives. "

Our borders are like sieves as well. Should we blame Bush for the 9/11 attacks because the terrorists were "merrily" walking around our country?

"None of this criticism denies that the ultimate responsibility for the deaths lies squarely with the terrorists."

Great...we agree...on the ultimate responsibility.

"However, things could have been done that weren't."

Probably.

"Grow up a little."

I know you are but what am I.

I appreciate the advice, now here is some for you and your advice...keep it.


Jim

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Registered: 04-29-2003
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 11:13am
Baby, baby, stick your head in gravy.

Wash it out with bubblegum and send it to the Navy.

nice post :)

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Registered: 05-18-2004
Wed, 09-08-2004 - 12:02pm
**TTTHHWWWPPP** Raspberries for everyone.

:)

Man I love these intellectual debates...

I hadn't heard the Navy line before...

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 09-10-2004 - 12:20am
>>Great...we agree...on the ultimate responsibility>>. Good - you've woken up. Maybe now you can quit jumping on those who are even slightly critical of the way the crisis was handled. Being critical of this aspectdoes NOT mean that one absolves the terrorists of their ultimate responsibility. Obviously. Astonished that this needed spelling out !


Octagonal

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