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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:09pm
Militant Islam is evil incarnate. There is NOTHING positive in this brand of Islam. There is no way to positively spin this despicable act of violence. OOps, wait a minute, the mainstream media have stricken all references to words that might lead viewers/readers to learn that this was done my Islamofascists. See later posts for examples.

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Saturday, September 04, 2004

10 Arabs among 20 militants killed in southern Russia





Compiled by Daily Star staff







BESLAN, Russia: Ten Arabs are among 20 militants killed following the hostage siege in southern Russia, an FSB security service official said on Friday.

"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television.

More than 100 people were reportedly killed and hundreds wounded Friday as Russian special forces stormed a school to free scores of children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.

Tass quoted a source in the regional Interior Ministry as saying the school seizure had been planned by Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted Chechen rebel, and was led by field commander Magomet Yevloyev. The source said there was information it was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, who was believed to be Al-Qaeda's representative in Chechnya.

By early evening Friday, Russian troops were still fighting to free hostages from the school in North Ossetia, said the top local security official for the southern Russian region, Valery Andreyev.

Andreyev said authorities had identified the bodies of 60 victims in the first official toll of the day's bloody events.

But the Interfax news agency said over 100 corpses of hostages - some 1,000 were reported taken - were found in the school gymnasium. - Agencies

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048#





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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 1:01pm
Well I"ll tell you what I see. I see a President who without 9/11 would have nothing else to run for re-election on. I feel no more safe with him since 9/11 than before. His adminstation failed to heed the warning signs to stop 9/11. I'm not saying that he/they could have, what I'm saying is they didn't think that kind of attack was possible. If a person or group want to cause death and distruction for their cause they will. I have seen no stratagy by this adminstration to stop another attack on this country, they just have their fingers crossed that it doesn't happen again. The alerts we have are to vague to act on as far as I'm concerned, that is why people don't react or react negatively and that is not just liberals, what a stupid generalization. Why do you insist on bringing up the fact that these terriost are Muslim? That like saying Tim McVey was a CHRISTIAN/REPUBLICAN terriorist. You are just hurting a hugh group of people because of a few, you have a lot of misguided anger and that is just not right.
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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 1:39pm
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No one did.

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What national security official would divulge sensitive information related to our national security for public scrutiny? Your assumptions about this administration keeping their fingers crossed that "it" doesn't happen again is qutie illuminating. Tell me, do you let people know vulnerable points of entry in your house? Where your valuables are? What bedrooms the children sleep in? Where you keep firearms (if you do)? Of course not. The less the intruder knows, the less of a chance he'll choose to burgle your dwelling. So why should we conduct our national security differently in order to appease liberals?

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You have just admitted that you don't believe these alerts and are one of those who agonize about keeping vigilant. I rest my case. I have yet to meet a liberal who agrees with these alerts. Therefore, I am making a generalization. Your opinion that they are stupid is just that. YOUR opinion.

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Because they ARE MUSLIM TERRORISTS. These Chechnyan SEPARATISTS are MUSLIMS. What is so hard to understand about that?

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I have not hurt anyone. The actions of the MUSLIM TERRORISTS have hurt the Muslim world. Typical liberal reaction to blame anyone and everyone except the MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

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Please don't attempt to psychoanalize me. To assume that you know my state of mind and pass judgement on me is stupid AND arrogant AND a liberal proclivity I abhor.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled program...

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 2:10pm
<< GWB takes the war on terror seriously. >>

I agree, it is a religious crusade for him. It stirs the passions of fear and hatred thus securing his position as CiC. But tell me, what has GWB done in this "War on Terror". Has he captured bin Ladin? No Has he secured Afghanistan against al Qaeda? No, they are stronger than ever. Has he built up the American Defenses? Yes in the case of airports; but no with respect to ports and borders. Has he pursued innocent Muslim Americans depriving them of their civil liberities? Yes. While he takes the war seriously, he has created an atmosphere where terrorist organizations and attacks are growing. I should pray that he didn't take it so seriously. Bush is a warrior Christian just like the Crusaders of old, true, but is America safer? NO

In fact we are closer to atomic warfare than we were when GWB took office.

The Pentagon's chest-thumping concept of "full spectrum dominance" (which means the production and use of nuclear weapons known as "bunker buster" bombs), motivates other nations to seek sources of countervailing power. Afraid, when the United States goes to war on ideologically inconsistent grounds against some states but not others, that they will be next. "Nations all over the globe – Japan, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Brazil, Australia – have begun re-evaluating their rejections of nukes, and some are positively rushing to acquire them. Iran and North Korea are likely to be only the tip of this radioactive iceberg. Nuclear-armed Pakistan and India are a grim forecast of the future on every continent. And the Bush Administration – by declaring its own nuclear arsenal permanent, by threatening nuclear first-strikes against other nations, by "warehousing" treaty-defused warheads instead of destroying them, by developing a new line of "usable" nukes, by moving to weaponize the "high frontier" of outer space, by doing little to help Russia get rid of its rotting nuclear stockpile, by embracing "preventive war" – is enabling this trend instead of discouraging it."

Quote from The Bush Crusade

By James Carroll, tomdispatch.com. Posted September 4, 2004.

See also

A Secure America in a Secure World

http://www.fpif.org/papers/04terror/index.html

GWB's rhetoric also stirs up the passions of hatred against the Muslim world, not just terrorist. This is exactly what OBL wanted to happen when he attacked on 9/11. The "war on terror" is an absolute fraud. It is a war designed specifically to defeat the progressive social reform agenda by rendering the puplic paralized by fear and hatred. Do you think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have deterred the terrorists desire to attack America? No If so we we wouldn't have reacted to the orange alert at the end of the Democratic convention--funny no red alert on Thursday. Do you really think that the Muslims in Iraq will be converted to western ideology by this horrendously mismanagaed take-over of their country and privitization of their natural resources to American companies. Is this corporate-focused administration going to install a capitalist government in Iraq? Don't count on them being fooled by GWB. What GWB has accomplished is a growing war on the progressive agenda: social security, medicare, medicaid and the progressive tax rate. He has converted a projected surplus to the largest deficit the US has known. He is returning us to the "gilded age" when the powerful rule the powerless undetered. Let's all cheer GWB's seriousness, long live the destroyer of America as we know it.




Edited 9/4/2004 2:20 pm ET ET by hayashig

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 4:51pm
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As are the militant muslim terrorists' attacks on innocent civilians. Theirs is a jihad against *infidels* (read NON-muslims). They are *called* to destroy if not enslave ALL *infidels*. Their inhumane brutality and barbarism is based on their RELIGION and the RELIGIOUS fanaticism of their mullahs.

Funny how everything with you liberals boils down to "It's all Bush's fault" and no mention is made whatsoever of the culpability of these depraved Islamofascists.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 5:56pm
<<"It's all Bush's fault">>

Now who said this? It takes to for war; but war benefits certain industries and rarely is beneficial to the general populace. Did you read the references I posted, in fact, did you read my post or just rush to defend Bush?

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This is a reasoned reply? It sounds to me like hate-filled rhetoric and reminds me of that used by Nazi's against the jews. Other than being totally untrue, this type of rhetoric inflames irrational passions.


Edited 9/4/2004 6:14 pm ET ET by hayashig

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 6:20pm
Yes, I read your post in its entirety and the gist is that prior to Bush, the world was a safer place, atomic weapons would not have developed as quickly, etc. etc.

I read the article and have come to the same conclusion. Bush lied, etc. etc.

Therefore, everything is Bush's fault.

BTW, I'm not defending Bush. However, you are welcome to believe that if you wish.

As for my response regarding muslim terrorists, I'm stating the truth about Islamofascists and its ties to a fanatical religion.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 6:23pm
>>You have just admitted that you don't believe these alerts and are one of those who agonize about keeping vigilant.<
>>>The less the intruder knows, the less of a chance he'll choose to burgle your dwelling.<<<...again huh?

>>>Please don't attempt to psychoanalize me.<<<

Who has that kind of time.

Hope you feel better after your little rant.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 6:33pm
>>Has he built up the American Defenses? Yes in the case of airports<<

I heard recently that our airport x-ray screens and passenger/metal detectors cannot detect explosives...yeah, I feel safer....NOT

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 6:35pm
you: >>You have just admitted that you don't believe these alerts and are one of those who agonize about keeping vigilant.<

me: ???


you: >>>The less the intruder knows, the less of a chance he'll choose to burgle your dwelling.<<<...again huh?

me: I tried to use an analogy. Apparently, it didn't work.

you: >>>Please don't attempt to psychoanalize me.<<<

Who has that kind of time.

me: You did attempt to do so in your previous post.

I feel quite refreshed actually. Thank you for your concern.

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Sat, 09-04-2004 - 10:35pm

"Why do you insist on bringing up the fact that these terriost are Muslim? That like saying Tim McVey was a CHRISTIAN/REPUBLICAN terriorist"


Did you notice how she glossed right over this in her response?

The first key to wisdom is constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question and by questioning we arrive at the truth.  -

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