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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:09pm
Militant Islam is evil incarnate. There is NOTHING positive in this brand of Islam. There is no way to positively spin this despicable act of violence. OOps, wait a minute, the mainstream media have stricken all references to words that might lead viewers/readers to learn that this was done my Islamofascists. See later posts for examples.

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Saturday, September 04, 2004

10 Arabs among 20 militants killed in southern Russia





Compiled by Daily Star staff







BESLAN, Russia: Ten Arabs are among 20 militants killed following the hostage siege in southern Russia, an FSB security service official said on Friday.

"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television.

More than 100 people were reportedly killed and hundreds wounded Friday as Russian special forces stormed a school to free scores of children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.

Tass quoted a source in the regional Interior Ministry as saying the school seizure had been planned by Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted Chechen rebel, and was led by field commander Magomet Yevloyev. The source said there was information it was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, who was believed to be Al-Qaeda's representative in Chechnya.

By early evening Friday, Russian troops were still fighting to free hostages from the school in North Ossetia, said the top local security official for the southern Russian region, Valery Andreyev.

Andreyev said authorities had identified the bodies of 60 victims in the first official toll of the day's bloody events.

But the Interfax news agency said over 100 corpses of hostages - some 1,000 were reported taken - were found in the school gymnasium. - Agencies

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048#





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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 8:46am
Yes I did notice but she went on such a tangent with the rest of her post I didn't want to pursue her reason for ignoring one of the main points of my post. I also agree with you about Putin. In an area so close to Chetchnea(sp), why were no better precautions taken? After that terrible situation in the theater a few years ago the Russian Government should have realized anything was possible. Falure of imagination possibly? My fear is that old habbits die hard, Putin is a leader from the old Russia. I feel he may put his own agenda in front of the security of his people. On a side note, I had no idea that Russian TV is still controled by the Government. What about their print media?
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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 9:04am

There were some indepentent TV stations for awhile, not now.


I heard on BBC World news that at first the number of hostages was kept under wraps, in Russia, but ofcourse it couldn't be kept secret.


Here's a link to Pravda (English version) & other papers. Judge for yourself...........


http://english.pravda.ru/


http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/russia.htm

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 11:45am
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This is not the way I interpreted the article. Prior to Bush, the world was moving toward nuclear disarmament. Then Bush backed out of the disarmament treaty and attacked Iraq, can't you see how these actions would frighten other nations. My intent was not to place the blame on Bush but to show a country's behavior creates a response from the world. I don't blame the man, I think the philosophy behind the actions is problematic.

If you can't see the difference, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

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I don't like Rush's use of Islamofacists! Its denegrating and just plain wrong, illustrating lack of knowledge about fascism. I agree that muslim terrorist USE their religion as an excuse for their actions. However, when you shift the interpretation from the terrorist to the Muslim religion, I have to disagree. The logic is: that a ford is a car but not all cars are fords. To you this is nuance, but it is an important nuance because. The correct use of terms allows you to distinguish between terrorists and ordinary people with another religion. This realization brings to mind that you can't tell a terrorist from a citizen; so cooperation with the Islamic world is essential to an effective resolution to this WORLD problem.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 11:49am
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I thought I had to give the man some credit.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 11:59am
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I agree. Race, religion and ethnicity are labels that identify a person, like blue eyes or brown hair. If we could get past the emotional connotations of these words the world would be a better place. There was an interesting experiment conducted by an elementry school teacher who demonstrated how easy it it to attach emotional connotations to words and produce bigotry. The study was done several years and was celled something like The Blue-Eyed/Brown-Eyed Study.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 12:11pm
Doesn't it depend on how they present themsélves?

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 12:19pm

Here's a link to info. on that blue/brown eyed study.......


http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/magenta-project.html

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 2:13pm
>>> You are just hurting a hugh group of people because of a few, you have a lot of misguided anger and that is just not right.<<<

Yep, there are millions of muslims around the world and some people are letting these terrorists define a whole faith and group. Perhaps we should just start calling all terrorists by their faith or lack of faith, atheist terrorists, christian terrorists, jweish terrorists.

How about these christian terrorists:

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) which is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaimed himself a prophet and apparently wants to establish a state based on the biblical ten commandments. The rebels have been accused of many atrocities in the area, kidnapping children to train as soldiers, murder their parents, and use the girls as sex slaves.

I don't hear christian groups, christians in this country or the pope denouncing these terrorists or christian countries stopping them from setting up training camps. there is nothing positive in this brand of christianity?

They are all driven by the same purpose, revenge,politics and power. For the chechen women who blew themselves up, they were filled with rage and vengeance, their families, husbands killed in the war by the thousands. These "black widows" as they are called are poisoned souls used by terrorist groups to fulfill their agenda. We can't stop it unless we go to the root reasons behind why so many people are willing to be used for political purposes.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 2:34pm
>>>Militant Islam is evil incarnate. There is NOTHING positive in this brand of Islam<<

militant terrorists are not following Islam, nor is it a brand of Islam, they are using their faith the same way the lords army is, to justify their politics and greed for power. Not much different than some of the christian based hate groups in this country that are considered domestic terrorists and dangerous.

"Americans were responsible for about three-quarters of the 335 incidents between 1980 and 2000 that the FBI has classified as suspected or confirmed terrorism. The most notorious example of domestic terrorism is the April 1995 truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people and injured more than 500."

http://www.terrorismanswers.org/groups/american.html

All Terrorists are evil incarnate, no matter what their proclaimed faith is.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 5:43pm
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I'm not sure I understand your question, but I will take a stab at it. If I'm wrong let me know. As in the study of blue-eyed children, it didn't matter whether their eyes were blue or not, they were labeled as blue-eyed and treated as inferior. It is classic stereotyping. My statement goes to the judgments we make about labels regardless of whether an individual fits the label.

Now, I have to back off this stance a little because there is a situation where IF you have a prejudice and someone presents themself in a matter that contradicts your prejudice you may wish to change your opinions. But the judgments we make about people does not really depend upon how they present themselves, simply because prejudice means you have judged them before hand.

Hope this clarifies my position.

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