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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:09pm
Militant Islam is evil incarnate. There is NOTHING positive in this brand of Islam. There is no way to positively spin this despicable act of violence. OOps, wait a minute, the mainstream media have stricken all references to words that might lead viewers/readers to learn that this was done my Islamofascists. See later posts for examples.

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Saturday, September 04, 2004

10 Arabs among 20 militants killed in southern Russia





Compiled by Daily Star staff







BESLAN, Russia: Ten Arabs are among 20 militants killed following the hostage siege in southern Russia, an FSB security service official said on Friday.

"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television.

More than 100 people were reportedly killed and hundreds wounded Friday as Russian special forces stormed a school to free scores of children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.

Tass quoted a source in the regional Interior Ministry as saying the school seizure had been planned by Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted Chechen rebel, and was led by field commander Magomet Yevloyev. The source said there was information it was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, who was believed to be Al-Qaeda's representative in Chechnya.

By early evening Friday, Russian troops were still fighting to free hostages from the school in North Ossetia, said the top local security official for the southern Russian region, Valery Andreyev.

Andreyev said authorities had identified the bodies of 60 victims in the first official toll of the day's bloody events.

But the Interfax news agency said over 100 corpses of hostages - some 1,000 were reported taken - were found in the school gymnasium. - Agencies

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048#





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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 5:45pm
My goodness you do have excellent research skills. Did you read the study? What did you think.
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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 5:52pm
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So the problem really isn't the religion but with the emotions of hate and vengence. One would think that the world would learn that acting on emotions makes a statement, but doesn't change anything--it just creates more hatred.

I know you know this, I just want to emphasize the point.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 6:25pm
There is also a Frontline documentary on this that you can view online.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 6:26pm

"Did you read the study? What did you think."


Yes I'd read it before & found it interesting. I think it's quite valid.


OT It's strange, in a personal way. When I was little,

 


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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 6:38pm
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This is a very logical conclusion, even Muslims today must think they need to fear. I realize that we must learn differences before we can pay attention to sameness, (William James) but I so hope that someday we will learn that differences are just that, not the same.

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Sun, 09-05-2004 - 7:18pm

Thanks for the link.


Just shows how easily

 


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Mon, 09-06-2004 - 5:50am
It does, thank you. I think we largely agree here, if I understood yóu correctly.

I should have elaborated more, but I was in a hurry to catch some sunshine :).

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Mon, 09-06-2004 - 12:31pm
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Absolutely. It is always correct IMO to call a spade a spade. I also don't have trouble with generalizations per se, it is useful in organizing our thoughts, but it should be done with care. It is not necessary for a group to label itself, the actions alone is sufficient to establish a label. However, when we attach emotional tags to the generalized labels and then act on these emotions I have a problem. You can't with any assurance go from generalizations to specific without being aware you may be in error. Then to act on emotions is understandable but not desirable. To act on emotions in a generalized way is inexcusable IMO.

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This statement generalizes from some Catholic and Protestant organizations, which were indeed fanatics/extremists, to all Catholics and Protestants.

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I don't understand this statement, could you explain?




Edited 9/6/2004 12:38 pm ET ET by hayashig

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Mon, 09-06-2004 - 5:59pm
>>>When a group labels itsélf as pro-whatever-cause and then acts in its name in terrorist ways, isn't it then correct to refer to them as such?<<

why legitimize them by calling them by what they *claim* to represent? they don't represent islam but by calling them *muslim* terrorists people lend legitimacy to their claim of it being holy war rather than seeing it for what it really is.


Edited 9/6/2004 6:00 pm ET ET by alfreda_iv

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 5:38am

To you and Alfreda.


What I mean is that my primary response to what happened in e.g. Beslan, Oklahoma and on 9/11 is condemn the act, regardless of reason/background etc.

Whoever does things like that are coldblooded murderers (thugs was too

Djie

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