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Fri, 09-03-2004 - 10:09pm
Militant Islam is evil incarnate. There is NOTHING positive in this brand of Islam. There is no way to positively spin this despicable act of violence. OOps, wait a minute, the mainstream media have stricken all references to words that might lead viewers/readers to learn that this was done my Islamofascists. See later posts for examples.

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Saturday, September 04, 2004

10 Arabs among 20 militants killed in southern Russia





Compiled by Daily Star staff







BESLAN, Russia: Ten Arabs are among 20 militants killed following the hostage siege in southern Russia, an FSB security service official said on Friday.

"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television.

More than 100 people were reportedly killed and hundreds wounded Friday as Russian special forces stormed a school to free scores of children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.

Tass quoted a source in the regional Interior Ministry as saying the school seizure had been planned by Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted Chechen rebel, and was led by field commander Magomet Yevloyev. The source said there was information it was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, who was believed to be Al-Qaeda's representative in Chechnya.

By early evening Friday, Russian troops were still fighting to free hostages from the school in North Ossetia, said the top local security official for the southern Russian region, Valery Andreyev.

Andreyev said authorities had identified the bodies of 60 victims in the first official toll of the day's bloody events.

But the Interfax news agency said over 100 corpses of hostages - some 1,000 were reported taken - were found in the school gymnasium. - Agencies

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048#





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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 9:01am
Haven't figured out whether it's always been a characteristic of the conservatives, or whether it's just some people who call themselves conservatives but there seems to be this longing to see things in black and white. It's simplistic and tends to overlook past events but they persist in their insistence that "X" is right and "Y" is wrong. Dubya comes forceably to mind as one who leads from the "gut". Whoopty dooh dah--it's a complex world and simple (or simple mindedness!) won't work.

I hate what terrorists do but even they sometimes have stories to tell that would "break your heart".

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 9:38am
>>>What I mean is that my primary response to what happened in e.g. Beslan, Oklahoma and on 9/11 is condemn the act, regardless of reason/background etc.<<<

Their act of terroristm is despicable, no matter what the reason and I haven't said otherwise. What I am saying however is that those chechen women didn't die for islam, or allah, their cause has nothing to do with islam. They blew themselves up because their hearts and souls and lives have been poisoned by acts of war in chechnya and unless we recognize the root reasons for them becoming despicable killers we will never win the fight against terror.

>>I would use their claim ónly so as we all know what group/person we are talking about<<

But that is my point, they don't represent a global group such as muslims or their faith, they only represent their *political* cause, in this case the chechen war and the fight and hatred against russian domination.

I am not picking on you djie, I am picking on the generalization that lumps all muslims into one group, and that seems to be the pattern right now. Those thugs don't represent muslims and when people attack the religion as being the cause the completely miss the real reason. How can we fight the war on terror when we ignore the real reason is and instead attack something (religious belief) that really is just used to justify horror.

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 9:42am

"I hate what terrorists do but even they sometimes have stories to tell that would "break your heart"." ITA.

Putin continues to avoid real discourse with Chetnya except with 'voice' of force.


Chechnya: Why Putin is implacable.



President Putin has drawn a line in the mountains of the North Caucasus beyond which Russia will not withdraw.

His insistence that there can be no surrender to demands for independence for Chechnya is based on a number of factors which include:

 


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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 10:11am

It appears the press isn't controled, as is the TV. A Russian expert stated on the news this AM, that many Russians away from the cities don't read the newspapers. She didn't say if it was due to not having access or merely not being interested. I took it as the latter, but I could be mistaken.


Press bares Russian soul



Russian newspapers pull no punches as they examine the state of the nation following last week's tragic events in Beslan.


The president and the government come in for particular condemnation, but nobody is immune from scathing criticism, in what can be seen as a case of profound soul-seaching.


More........... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3634064.stm

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 10:20am
What I've wanted to say, only you did so much more eloquently!


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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 10:50am
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An excellent point. One that never crossed my mind.

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 10:54am
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Hope this explain it a bit more?>>

It does. I too struggle with my own awareness of what I do.

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 10:55am
Thanks for the information..this is certainly a country in turmoil.
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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 11:04am
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Interestingly not all humans see issues in black and white. These classifications come, as far as I know, from the trilogy of religions; judaism, christianity, and muslim. It is a shackle that binds tightly, and thwarts understanding. It prodouces a need to classify and judge everything--which of course simplifies mental processes. I was so relieved when I learned that duality doesn't have to mean goodness/evil it can be just a difference which is typlified by the cyclic yin/yang.


Edited 9/7/2004 11:13 am ET ET by hayashig

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Tue, 09-07-2004 - 11:06am
Boy, that article hit the nail on head that "The reality is that many western governments have their own war against terrorism to fight and do not want to jeopardise Russian cooperation by making adverse comments about Chechnya." Moreover, whatever tactics Putin uses will be more or less free of criticism–-look at what we've done in Iraq and at Guantanamo. Pot could hardly call kettle black!

The other thing that jumped out at me was this bit, "Mr Putin spoke nostalgically in his address to Russia after the Beslan tragedy about the days when the borders of the Soviet Union were protected." Great, just great. What other sort of nostalgia is he experiencing? Will Mr. Putin find a John Ashcroft to propose acts rewriting the laws protecting individual freedoms or will he simply revert back to the old KGB standards that allow just about any sort of invasion of personal rights in the name of state security?

The terrorists may or may not realize it but sooner or later, their acts are going to trigger some major repression. It's a vicious cycle and I pray for cool and wise heads that don't indulge in knee-jerk reactive type thinking.

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