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Saturday, September 04, 2004
10 Arabs among 20 militants killed in southern Russia
Compiled by Daily Star staff
BESLAN, Russia: Ten Arabs are among 20 militants killed following the hostage siege in southern Russia, an FSB security service official said on Friday.
"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television.
More than 100 people were reportedly killed and hundreds wounded Friday as Russian special forces stormed a school to free scores of children and adults held hostage for almost three days by militants demanding independence for Chechnya.
Tass quoted a source in the regional Interior Ministry as saying the school seizure had been planned by Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted Chechen rebel, and was led by field commander Magomet Yevloyev. The source said there was information it was financed by Abu Omar As-Seyf, who was believed to be Al-Qaeda's representative in Chechnya.
By early evening Friday, Russian troops were still fighting to free hostages from the school in North Ossetia, said the top local security official for the southern Russian region, Valery Andreyev.
Andreyev said authorities had identified the bodies of 60 victims in the first official toll of the day's bloody events.
But the Interfax news agency said over 100 corpses of hostages - some 1,000 were reported taken - were found in the school gymnasium. - Agencies
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048#

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I hate what terrorists do but even they sometimes have stories to tell that would "break your heart".
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
Their act of terroristm is despicable, no matter what the reason and I haven't said otherwise. What I am saying however is that those chechen women didn't die for islam, or allah, their cause has nothing to do with islam. They blew themselves up because their hearts and souls and lives have been poisoned by acts of war in chechnya and unless we recognize the root reasons for them becoming despicable killers we will never win the fight against terror.
>>I would use their claim ónly so as we all know what group/person we are talking about<<
But that is my point, they don't represent a global group such as muslims or their faith, they only represent their *political* cause, in this case the chechen war and the fight and hatred against russian domination.
I am not picking on you djie, I am picking on the generalization that lumps all muslims into one group, and that seems to be the pattern right now. Those thugs don't represent muslims and when people attack the religion as being the cause the completely miss the real reason. How can we fight the war on terror when we ignore the real reason is and instead attack something (religious belief) that really is just used to justify horror.
"I hate what terrorists do but even they sometimes have stories to tell that would "break your heart"." ITA.
Putin continues to avoid real discourse with Chetnya except with 'voice' of force.
President Putin has drawn a line in the mountains of the North Caucasus beyond which Russia will not withdraw.
His insistence that there can be no surrender to demands for independence for Chechnya is based on a number of factors which include:
It appears the press isn't controled, as is the TV. A Russian expert stated on the news this AM, that many Russians away from the cities don't read the newspapers. She didn't say if it was due to not having access or merely not being interested. I took it as the latter, but I could be mistaken.
Russian newspapers pull no punches as they examine the state of the nation following last week's tragic events in Beslan.
The president and the government come in for particular condemnation, but nobody is immune from scathing criticism, in what can be seen as a case of profound soul-seaching.
More........... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3634064.stm
An excellent point. One that never crossed my mind.
Hope this explain it a bit more?>>
It does. I too struggle with my own awareness of what I do.
Interestingly not all humans see issues in black and white. These classifications come, as far as I know, from the trilogy of religions; judaism, christianity, and muslim. It is a shackle that binds tightly, and thwarts understanding. It prodouces a need to classify and judge everything--which of course simplifies mental processes. I was so relieved when I learned that duality doesn't have to mean goodness/evil it can be just a difference which is typlified by the cyclic yin/yang.
Edited 9/7/2004 11:13 am ET ET by hayashig
The other thing that jumped out at me was this bit, "Mr Putin spoke nostalgically in his address to Russia after the Beslan tragedy about the days when the borders of the Soviet Union were protected." Great, just great. What other sort of nostalgia is he experiencing? Will Mr. Putin find a John Ashcroft to propose acts rewriting the laws protecting individual freedoms or will he simply revert back to the old KGB standards that allow just about any sort of invasion of personal rights in the name of state security?
The terrorists may or may not realize it but sooner or later, their acts are going to trigger some major repression. It's a vicious cycle and I pray for cool and wise heads that don't indulge in knee-jerk reactive type thinking.
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
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