CIA says waterboarding was helpful

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CIA says waterboarding was helpful
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Tue, 04-21-2009 - 5:15pm

Do we waterboard a terrorist prisoner, or let thousands of innocent people die from terrorism?

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.

After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.

“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’ Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”

After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.

“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.

“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”

A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.

In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”

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Registered: 03-18-2000
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 10:26am

I disagreed at the time of the trials & I disagree now as does Senator Carl Levin. The standard for prisoner treatment eroded from the top. You know that "trickle down" effect except this time it worked.

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Registered: 04-11-2009
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 11:10am
I have no idea which general you are talking about, but the military generally takes its direction from its leader at the time. There was no invasion of Iraq until 2003 and Bush was the commander-in-chief at that time. The direction for the military in Iraq came from Bush and Rumsfeld. That said, if the general (whoever you are thinking of)violated UCMJ, a court martial is warranted. Generals can be court martialed too. Wrong is wrong.

 

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 11:13am

The level of uncertainty inherent in "if" is too significant to indulge in aggressive and immoral actions like "enhanced interrogation techniques" and "pre-emptive war".

Think about it. Tyrants are bred and enabled by the fearful and weak. People can be inculcated to accept the horrendous and atrocious. Goering* knew it, so did BushCo.

We SHOULD, as a nation, have been far more wary and worried about the enemy within, than the enemy without. Shame on us.

*http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 04-05-2002
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 11:26am

We could just hand out guns to everyone and have them maim any Middle Eastern person they see.






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Registered: 04-05-2002
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 11:28am
The mental gymnastics and the twisting of facts is far more impressive than Shawn Johnson's gold medal performance.










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Registered: 03-23-2003
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 1:28pm

AMEN!



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Registered: 08-30-2008
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 9:40pm

I just love this -- the Bush Admin. funds al Qaeda (stories have been printed about our Congressmen funnelling them money) and they allowed that horrible day in 2001 to happen - with that interpreter not following through .. how convenient.

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Registered: 12-25-2008
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 9:59pm

You referring to this officer?


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/22/us.torture.karpinski/index.html


Since it's now come out that they were ordered to torture their prisoners in accordance with guidance from the federal government, it becomes more

 


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Registered: 08-30-2002
Wed, 04-22-2009 - 11:48pm

****Appointing weak leaders to achieve a political agenda****


Describes BushCo to a T. Top to bottom apparently.



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Registered: 02-19-2008
Thu, 04-23-2009 - 12:07am
The general in charge of the prison was Janis Karpinski.