Killer killed

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Sun, 05-31-2009 - 4:39pm

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090531/D98HDH9G0.html

Abortion doc George Tiller gunned down at church

By ROXANA HEGEMAN

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - Late-term abortion doctor George Tiller, a prominent advocate for abortion rights wounded by a protester more than a decade ago, was shot and killed Sunday at a church in Wichita where he was serving as an usher and his wife was in the choir, his attorney said.

Tiller was shot during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church, attorney Dan Monnat said. Police said a manhunt was under way for the shooter, who fled in a car registered to a Kansas City suburb nearly 200 miles away.

National anti-abortion groups had long focused on Tiller, whose Women's Health Care Services clinic is one of just three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy.

In 1991, the Summer of Mercy protests organized by Operation Rescue drew thousands of anti-abortion activists to this city for demonstrations marked by civil disobedience and mass arrests.

Some abortion opponents had resorted to attacks against Tiller long before Sunday's shooting. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985.

Anti-abortion group Operation Rescue issued a statement denouncing the shooting.

"We are shocked at this morning's disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down," said Troy Newman, Operation Rescue's president. "Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning."

Capt. Brent Allred said Wichita police were looking for a gunman who fled in a 1993 light blue Ford Taurus registered in the Kansas City suburb of Merriam, Kan. No other details about the shooting were immediately released.

The phone line at the home of Tiller and wife, Jeanne, had a busy signal Sunday.

Tiller began providing abortion services in 1973. He acknowledged abortion was as socially divisive as slavery or prohibition but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.

"Pre-natal testing without pre-natal choices is medical fraud," Tiller once said.

After the 1991 protests, Tiller kept mostly to his heavily guarded clinic, although in 1997 he opened it to three tours by state lawmakers and the media.

Tiller remained prominent in the news, in part because of an investigation started begun by former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent.

Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires. A jury in March acquitted Tiller of all 19 misdemeanor counts.

"I am stunned by this lawless and violent act, which must be condemned and should be met with the full force of law," Kline said in a written statement. "We join in lifting prayer that God's grace and presence rest with Dr. Tiller's family and friends."

Abortion opponents also questioned then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' ties to Tiller before the Senate confirmed her this year as U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary. Tiller donated thousands of dollars to Sebelius over the years.

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Wed, 06-10-2009 - 11:53pm

"They aren't really special in any context other than being willing to provide abortion services to women in spite of the threats and actual violence being committed against them by those who call themselves pro-life. They respect the right of women to choose rather than seeking to impose their personal philosophy on others."

So what?

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Wed, 06-10-2009 - 11:58pm

"Hey, it was your analogy/comparison, so asking for some examples based on your analogy/comparison is fair game.

How many celebrities have been killed specifically because of their profession? You brought it up."

They are targets for various whack jobs. They usually must provide for their own security. Obviously Mr Tiller should have done the same.

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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 12:03am

So we shouldn't pay any attention to pro-life men? Then why pay attention to pro-choice men? They don't get pregnant either.


Pro-choice men aren't trying to force women to gestate a pregnancy against their will based on their own moral beliefs. Really pro-choice men don't get a say either, but they are saying "we're leaving the decision up to the woman," by the simple fact that they are pro-choice, which is exactly the stance men should take as pregnancy doesn't affect them.

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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 12:05am

"Of course, had stepping up to adopt children with special needs been important to you, you could have done that first or sometime along the way."

So could pro-choicers. That's the beauty of choice.

eta How many kids do you have, postreply? Are they still quite young? It's okay if you prefer not to answer. At any rate, I'm still happy to help with re: to adoption.

I have three. They are school age.

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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 12:08am
Not buying it. Either men's opinions count or they don't. Though I quite understand why so many men are very pro-choice.
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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 1:32am

So, it was posted in response to a comment you made.


http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-elinthenews&msg=15801.182


Not really sure why Dr Tiller (or any other abortionist or person in this particular line of legal work) are deserving of any special recognition.


I just pointed why they were and were not deserving of any special recognition.

 


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Registered: 01-22-2009
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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 1:34am

~So could pro-choicers. That's the beauty of choice.~


I did step up, postreply.

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-25-2008
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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 1:35am

You still didn't answer the question based on YOUR analogy/comparison.


 


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iVillage Member
Registered: 12-25-2008
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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 1:39am

Pro-choice men

 


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iVillage Member
Registered: 12-25-2008
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Thu, 06-11-2009 - 1:42am
Of course you don't buy it.

 


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