Abortion Dr. gunned down in church

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Registered: 08-30-2002
Abortion Dr. gunned down in church
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Sun, 05-31-2009 - 5:33pm

"Pro'lifers" that kill are an oxymoron to me. This Dr. provided legal, medical, services to women. A friend of mine used to go to an OB/Gyn that the pro-lifers would protest. They would picket in front of her office and commit crimes aginst her home, office and property. My friend would get so angry at them because this same Dr. had given her the surgery and fertility treatments that had allowed her to keep her organs and bear children. I guess I'll never understand the brains that only think in black and white. It seems this man provided so much more to the community than just abortion services. Even if that is all he provided, women DO have a legal right to SAFE< PRIVATE, medical services. Even the late term abortions he supplied weren't illegal.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090531/ap_on_re_us/us_tiller_shooting


WICHITA, Kan. – Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller was shot and killed Sunday in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher, his attorney said. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.


The city official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the case. The official did not provide additional details.


Long a focus of national anti-abortion groups, including a summer-long protest in 1991, Tiller was shot during morning services at Reformation Lutheran Church while his wife was in the choir, his attorney Dan Monnat said. Police said the gunman had fled in a car registered in Merriam, a Kansas City suburb nearly 200 miles away.


Tiller's Women's Health Care Services clinic is one of just three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy.


Tiller's killing is "an unspeakable tragedy," his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement issued by Monnat. "This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."


The family said its loss "is also a loss for the city of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence."


A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985. More recently, Monnat said Tiller had asked federal prosecutors to step up investigations of vandalism and other threats against the clinic out of fear that the incidents were increasing and that Tiller's safety was in jeopardy.


In early May, Tiller had asked the FBI to investigate vandalism at his clinic, including cut wires to surveillance cameras and damage to the roof that sent rainwater pouring into the building.


Anti-abortion groups denounced the shooting and stressed that they support only nonviolent protest. The movement's leaders fear the killing could create a backlash just as they are scrutinizing U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, whose views on abortion rights are not publicly known.


"We are shocked at this morning's disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down," Troy Newman, Operation Rescue's president, said in a statement. "Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning."


In 1991, the Summer of Mercy protests organized by Operation Rescue drew thousands of anti-abortion activists to this city for demonstrations marked by civil disobedience and mass arrests.


Tiller began providing abortion services in 1973. He acknowledged abortion was as socially divisive as slavery or prohibition but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.


After the 1991 protests, Tiller kept mostly to his heavily guarded clinic, although in 1997 he opened it to three tours by state lawmakers and the media.


Tiller remained prominent in the news, in part because of an investigation started begun by former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent.


Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires. A jury in March acquitted Tiller of all 19 misdemeanor counts.


"I am stunned by this lawless and violent act, which must be condemned and should be met with the full force of law," Kline said in a written statement. "We join in lifting prayer that God's grace and presence rest with Dr. Tiller's family and friends."


Abortion opponents also questioned then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' ties to Tiller before the Senate confirmed her this year as U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary. Tiller donated thousands of dollars to Sebelius over the years.



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iVillage Member
Registered: 01-22-2009
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 3:27pm

I aborted due to hemoragghing.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-09-2004
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 3:36pm
I guess I should have made it clear from the beginning to save all the "what if you were going to die?" crap.

In many debates I've had with friends on this very subject, the one time I said it was forgivable was to save the mother's life. There would have to be some pretty convincing stats to it before I would ever consider aborting one of my own.

Where it isn't forgivable is when someone aborts a baby because it was conceived in a bad situation (rape, accidental, bad relationship...), if the baby is handicapped (physically or mentally), or if the baby is going to die anyways after it is born.

In the case of the baby dying after being born anyways, why not just be induced so the baby won't have to endure the pain of it's limbs being ripped off?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Community Leader
Registered: 04-05-2002
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 3:39pm
I don't know. My friend grew up in a dysfunctional family because of it and never found out.





Community Leader
Registered: 04-05-2002
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 3:53pm

We must have posted about the same time when I asked about the mother's life in jeopardy.






iVillage Member
Registered: 03-23-2003
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 5:06pm

You are entitled to your opinion, but I shudder that anyone is 'thrilled' when someone who was NOT breaking the law is gunned down in cold blood.


iVillage Member
Registered: 03-09-2004
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 5:39pm

You should have read my other posts before replying when it comes to the mothers' lives being on the line.

My comment about rape victims, and taking the good from the bad comes straight from a rape victim who kept her baby. She got something so wonderful from something so horrible, she wouldn't trade

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-22-2009
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 6:57pm

~She got something so wonderful from something so horrible...~


I'm glad that things turned out for your friend, but I don't think it's fair to expect all women to be able to cope with gestating the offspring of their rapist. I shared a maternity room with someone who did, and she was suicidal.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2009
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 7:03pm

<To each their own.. I don't agree with abortion and I wish more than anything that it weren't legal.>>


You obviously don't believe that or you wouldn't advocate for making all abortions illegal.


 

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-22-2009
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 7:04pm

~Where it isn't forgivable...~


It's not really your call as to what is and isn't "forgivable."

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-19-2009
Wed, 06-03-2009 - 7:06pm
You should look it up because you are wrong about the birth control.

 

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