All American jihadist in NC

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 1:09pm

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7 Men in N. Carolina Charged with Terror Plot
By VOA News
28 July 2009
U.S. federal authorities have charged seven men in the southeastern state of North Carolina with plotting to carry out terror attacks abroad.

Daniel Patrick Boyd in an undated file photo provided by City County Bureau of Identification in Wake County, NC
A father, 39-year-old Daniel Boyd, and his two sons, ages 20 and 22, are among the defendants. All are charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, and conspiracy to murder, kidnap, maim and injure persons abroad.

The Justice Department said Boyd traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan between 1989 and 1992 for military-style training in terrorist camps, and following the training, allegedly fought in Afghanistan.

It said Boyd traveled to Gaza in March 2006 and attempted to introduce his son to individuals who believed that "violent jihad was a personal religious obligation." The Justice Department said Boyd and several other defendants left the United States for Israel in 2007 to engage in "violent jihad," but their efforts failed and they eventually returned.

Boyd and several other defendants face weapons charges. Authorities allege Boyd and others practiced "military tactics" and using weapons in North Carolina.

If convicted, the seven face life in prison.

The Justice Department said five of the suspects are U.S. citizens, one is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and one is a native of Kosovo who is a U.S. legal permanent resident.

The group made initial court appearances in Raleigh, North Carolina, Monday. They are expected to return to court on Thursday. http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-28-voa28.cfm

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 2:52pm

Here's more.......


Complete article at link.......


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gHM9ORF1GLmgcoCTTD3i3bLRBk-wD99NHIJ80



RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A North Carolina father who led an unobtrusive rural life as a drywall contractor had militant roots dating back to 1980s Afghanistan and Pakistan and secretly led a U.S. group plotting international terrorism, federal prosecutors said.


Daniel Patrick Boyd, 39, was arrested Monday with his two sons and four other North Carolina men. Prosecutors accused them of military-style training at home and plotting "violent jihad" through a series of terror attacks abroad.


Authorities believe Boyd's roots in terrorism run deep. They said when he was in Pakistan and Afghanistan from 1989 through 1992, he had military-style training in terrorist camps and fought the Soviets, who were ending their occupation of Afghanistan. (Me: Wondering if this was a camp financed by the US?)


Prosecutors say Boyd's time in Pakistan also included terrorist training that he brought back to North Carolina, where over the past three years he recruited followers willing to die as martyrs waging jihad — the Arabic word for holy war.


Prosecutors would not detail what the group was targeting overseas. An indictment said they provided money, training, transportation and men to help terrorists. Boyd and some of the others traveled to Israel in June 2007 intending to wage "violent jihad," but returned home without success, the document said.


Sons Zakariya Boyd, 20, and Dylan Boyd, 22, were named in the indictment. Another son, Luqman, died two years ago in a car accident.


The others charged are Anes Subasic, 33; Mohammad Omar Aly Hassan, 22; and Ziyad Yaghi, 21. Hysen Sherifi, 24, a native of Kosovo and a U.S. legal permanent resident was also charged in the case. He was the only person arrested who was not a U.S. citizen.


The seven men made their first court appearances in Raleigh on Monday, charged with providing material support to terrorism and "conspiracy to murder, kidnap, maim and injure persons abroad." They're scheduled to appear in court again on Thursday for a detention hearing.


No attorneys for the men were listed in court records. If convicted, they could face life in prison.


Boyd lived at an unassuming lakeside home in a rural area south of Raleigh, where he and his family operated a drywall business.


Jim Stephenson, a neighbor in Willow Spring, said he often saw the Boyd family walking their dog. The indictment shocked neighbors.


"We never saw anything to give any clues that something like that could be going on in their family," Stephenson said.


In 1991, Boyd and his brother were convicted of bank robbery in Pakistan. They were also accused of carrying identification showing they belonged to the radical Afghan guerrilla group, Hezb-e-Islami, or Party of Islam. Each was sentenced to have a foot and a hand cut off for the robbery, but the decision was later overturned.


Their wives told The Associated Press in an interview at the time that the couples had U.S. roots but the United States was a country of "kafirs" — Arabic for heathens.


It is unclear when Boyd and his family returned to the U.S., but in March 2006, Boyd traveled to Gaza and attempted to introduce his son to individuals who also believed that violent jihad was a personal religious obligation, the indictment said. The document did not say which son Boyd took to Gaza.


Reached at her home in Silver Spring, Md., Daniel Boyd's mother said she knew nothing about the current case.


"It certainly sounds weird to me," Pat Saddler said.


Hassan's father declined to comment, and other families did not have listed numbers or did not return calls.


In 1991 in Pakistan, Daniel Boyd and his older brother denied they were guilty of stealing $3,200 from the bank. When the sentence was imposed, Boyd shouted: "This isn't an Islamic court. It's a court of infidels!"


When the brothers were arrested, they were accused of carrying identification showing they belonged to the radical Afghan guerrilla group, Hezb-e-Islami, or Party of Islam. They had become the first foreigners to be convicted and sentenced by special Islamic courts set up by the conservative federal government to impose speedy trials for so-called "heinous" crimes.


The men's wives, also Americans, said in an interview at the time that the couples had come to Pakistan in 1989. The wives refused to answer questions about their husbands' links to the Afghan mujahedeen, or Islamic holy warriors, though they did say their husbands embraced Islam nine years earlier.


Boyd's wife, Sabrina, had three sons with her in Pakistan at the time of the sentencing: 3-year-old Zakariya, 1-year-old Luqman and 5-year-old Mohammed. The indictment filed in North Carolina says Dylan Boyd is also known as Mohammed.


It's unclear how U.S. authorities learned of the allegations of the past three years, although court documents indicate that prosecutors will introduce evidence gathered under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.


Several of the defendants, including Boyd and his sons, also face firearms charges. The indictment says they had obtained a variety of weapons from handguns to rifles.


In July 2008, Sherifi left for Kosovo to engage in violent jihad, but it's unclear if he did any actual fighting. He returned to North Carolina in April 2009 to solicit funds and warriors to support the mujahedeen, but again the indictment did not give details. In October 2006, Yaghi went to Jordan to engage in violent jihad, according to the indictment.


Boyd's beliefs about Islam did not concur with his Raleigh-area moderate mosque, which he stopped attending this year and instead began meeting for Friday prayers in his home, U.S. Attorney George E.B. Holding said in an interview. He did not say whether any or all the defendants met with him.


"This is not an indictment of the entire Muslim community," Holding said. "These people had broken away because their local mosque did not follow their vision of being a good Muslim."

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:49pm
There are several odd things here. First of all, the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in '89, so there is a howling error in the indictment. All the same, whether the Sovs were there or not, it seems unlikely that some corn-fed, American 19yo would just up and vamoose to fight the infidel in Afghanistan. There is not much mention of the brother, but one has to wonder if he was a US operative who stayed behind and recruited his brother to join him. It is also not clear why the conviction in Pakistan was overturned, nor is it very clear when these people returned to the US or where the brother is now.
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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 1:07pm
We don't need jihadist in our own country.
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Wed, 07-29-2009 - 1:17pm
Yes, it is good that they were caught. However, you are bound to have more. There are many native-born Muslims in the US.
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Thu, 07-30-2009 - 1:06pm

We had similar thoughts on this and here it is:

"In September 1991, they were convicted and sentenced to have their right hands and left feet amputated, the first foreigners to be convicted and sentenced by special Islamic courts established to handle so-called "heinous" crimes, news reports said.

The sentences were never carried out.

A former CIA official stationed in Pakistan at the time said the agency intervened and quickly persuaded the Pakistani intelligence service to help free the Boyd brothers. The former official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly about the incident."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/07/30/20090730JihadistNextDoor0730.html

It just did not make sense that they would be there at that time without being somehow connected to the CIA. So not only did we train and support Osama, but these guys as well.

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Thu, 07-30-2009 - 1:32pm

It doesn't pass the 'smell' test.


I wonder too why they're being referred to as "violent terrorists".

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Fri, 07-31-2009 - 8:45am
Good question. I also wonder who the informant is. The indictment refers to Boyd demonstrating to the others how to use an AK47. So, it sounds like the FBI had infiltrated the group.
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Fri, 07-31-2009 - 9:13am

"sounds like the FBI had infiltrated the group."


I bet you're correct.

 


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Thu, 08-06-2009 - 4:51am

And here we go:

"While his assessment of the suspects was harsh, the judge also expressed concern about the veracity of the government's case. In presenting evidence, authorities had relied heavily on secret audio recordings and the statements of an unnamed witness.
As prosecutors made their final argument for why the men should remain in custody, Webb lashed out at the government's witness.

"Why is it you believe we should consider the witness as being credible?" he asked.
The prosecutor, Jason Kellhofer, at first argued that there was no reason to consider the witness not credible.

But Webb pressed on. He pointed out the prosecutor's argument that the suspects were sometimes talking in code, with Hysen Sherifi once talking about "going to the beach." Prosecutors argued that the "beach" really meant violent jihad.
Webb balked at the idea that he was supposed to consider "beach" as the "functional equivalent of jihad" without knowing why the witness was credible."
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Thu, 08-06-2009 - 11:15am

Who knows if this mysterious "witness" didn't encourage anti-American discourse. If all my conversations were recorded I'm sure there'd be incriminating 'evidence'.


"NC terrorists were supported by CIA"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4RY3HMnB0

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