On the legality of Obama's enemies list

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On the legality of Obama's enemies list
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Sat, 08-08-2009 - 4:59pm

This seemed interesting. I'm surprised most of the media isn't alarmed by the Obama administrations invasion of our privacy. The collection of a list of those who disagree with our President has long been illegal. Do those who report understand that they will be part of the national archive, and future generations will judge?

It looks like Obama wants to take us from socialism to fascism. Is this the change he was promising?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/white-house-collect-fishy-info-health-reform-illegal-critics-say/

The White House strategy of turning supporters into snitches when they see "fishy" information about the health care debate may run afoul of the law, legal experts say.

"The White House is in bit of a conundrum because of this privacy statute that prohibits the White House from collecting data and storing it on people who disagree with it," Judge Andrew Napolitano, a FOX News analyst, said Friday.

"There's also a statute that requires the White House to retain all communications that it receives. It can't try to rewrite history by pretending it didn't receive anything," he said.

"If the White House deletes anything, it violates one statute. If the White House collects data on the free speech, it violates another statute."

Napolitano was referring to the Privacy Act of 1974, which was passed after the Nixon administration used federal agencies to illegally investigate individuals for political purposes. Enacted after Richard Nixon's resignation in the Watergate scandal, the statute generally prohibits any federal agency from maintaining records on individuals exercising their right to free speech.

The White House has been under fire since it posted a blog on Tuesday that asked supporters to e-mail any "fishy" information seen on the Web or received electronically to flag@whitehouse.gov.

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there," the blog said, adding that "since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help."

The blog was posted partly in response to a video posted on the Web that claimed to show Obama explaining how his health care reform plans eventually will eliminate private insurance.

The video, featured on the Drudge Report, strung together selected Obama statements that the White House said were taken out of context.

The White House said it wanted to be made aware of "fishy" comments about its health care plan because it wants to set the record straight. But critics called White House move an Orwellian tactic designed to control the health care debate.

"This is a very troubling attempt to stifle the free speech of Americans who have the constitutional right to express their opinion and concerns about health care," said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice. He called on Obama to repudiate his blog.

"This move is an attempt to intimidate those who have legitimate concerns about the health care plan," Sekulow said. "And, worse, it turns the White House into some sort of self-appointed 'speech police.' This new White House reporting program strikes at the heart of the First Amendment and has no place in this important debate about health care."

Sekulow said he imagines that opponents of mandatory abortion coverage are engaging in what the White House considers "fishy" speech and should be reported.

"What the White House is touting is absurd," he said.

But Napolitano said the White House probably cannot be sued because of sovereign immunity, unless someone was harmed by what the government did with the records. But that's unlikely, he said, because the person would probably be unaware of the harm.

"That's a silent violation of your right to privacy," he said.

The ACLU said in a statement to FOXNews.com that the White House blog is a "bad idea that could send a troublesome message."

But the organization added, "While it is unclear at this point what the government is doing with the information it is collecting, critics of the administration's health care proposal should not fear that their names will end up in some government database that could be used to chill their right to free speech."

The White House Thursday denied that it was playing "Big Brother."

"Nobody is collecting names," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said. "We have seen, and as I've discussed from this podium, a lot of misinformation around health care reform, a lot of it spread, I think, purposefully."

Texas Sen. John Cornyn, who has called on Obama to end the program, rejected the White House explanation.

"Of course the White House is collecting names," he said, arguing that anyone with access to the e-mail account has access to private information.

"The question is not what the White House is doing, but how and why," he said. "How are they purging names and e-mail addresses from this account to protect privacy? Why do they need the forwarded e-mails, names, and 'casual conversations' sent to them instead of just the arguments that they want to rebut?

Asked by FOX News whether the White House was using the blog post as a way to expand the e-mail list for the administration and Obama's political arm, Organizing for America, Gibbs said the two are "not in any way connected" and repeated that the White House is not collecting names.

Pressed about the program's goal, Gibbs said it was to clarify for everybody what the misinformation is, adding that's not a new tactic.

"When you make a mistake in your report, sometimes I e-mail you," Gibbs said to FOX News' Major Garrett. "Occasionally, I call. Sometimes I just throw something against the wall. Occasionally, it's all three."

Garrett asked why it's necessary to ask so many people to e-mail the White House.

"All we're asking people to do is, if they're confused about what health care reform is going to mean to them, we're happy to help clear that up for them. Nobody's keeping anybody's names. I do have your e-mail. ...Maybe that's because I assume future mistakes. But I'm not going to say that," Gibbs said, drawing laughter.

"But nobody's collecting information," he added. "Everybody is trying to give people only the facts around what we all understand is a very complicated issue."

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Sat, 08-08-2009 - 6:24pm

"Most of the media" has better sense than to try to make a mountain out of a molehill. And those who leap to the conclusions, that there MUST be a list if the White House solicits feedback on health care reform spin, are apt to fall far short of the cliff on the other side and end up at the base in a welter of arms and legs ala Wiley Coyote.

I recognize the Fox/GOP tactic too--repeat a lie often enough and people will eventually think there's something to it. Frankly it's one of conservatives' most commonly used approaches and has cost us close to a trillion dollars in money and 4,000 U.S. dead. The fraternal twin of "enemies list" was "WMD in Iraq". Loathsome, vile, despicable, evil, wicked, dreadful and hideous to see it used again. And the GOP wonders why it's lost credibility and support. Duh.

Evidently White House press secretary Robert Gibb feels similarly but is more restrained in expressing his distaste: ""When you make a mistake in your report, sometimes I e-mail you," Gibbs said to FOX News' Major Garrett. "Occasionally, I call. Sometimes I just throw something against the wall. Occasionally, it's all three." (from YOUR link)

Apparently, you have been listening to Rush Limbaugh to make the comment that "It looks like Obama wants to take us from socialism to fascism". He compared Obama to Hitler recently on the issue of health care. But Limbaugh is prone to making comments which are both baseless and provocative, knowing well that his ditto head followers lack the critical thinking skills to question Crush's pronouncements from on high.

What a shame. This is actually a good time to have a frank and open dialogue about the current system and discuss what a better system might look like. Instead, the discussion has been hijacked by ideologues who seemingly care more about their agendas than the needs of we, the people.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 12-25-2008
Sat, 08-08-2009 - 7:22pm

There's nothing for the media to be alarmed about,

 


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Registered: 05-23-2008
Sat, 08-08-2009 - 8:11pm

Socialism to fascism?