Mexicans: Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty

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Sat, 10-17-2009 - 11:27pm

Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.

Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S., according to a Zogby poll commissioned by the Center for Immigration Studies.

The in-person poll, taken during August and September, sampled 1,004 Mexicans across the country on subjects related to illegal immigration and amnesty in the United States.

When asked “Should the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans be to Mexico or to the U.S.?” 68.8 percent of respondents in Mexico said that it should be to Mexico, while only 19.7 percent said it should be to the United States. Another 11.5 percent of respondents said they were not sure.

Steven Camarota, director of research at the CIS, told CNSNews.com that the Spanish phrase translated as “Mexican-Americans” (“los estadounidenses de origen mexicano”) was carefully selected to ensure that respondents knew that it included those born in the U.S. He particularly stressed the Spanish word ‘estadounidenses.’

“It means ‘United States-ian’ — (that’s) how it translates,” he said, “and it’s understood by everyone in Mexico to include, clearly, people born in the United States of Mexican ancestry.”

Camarota also told CNSNews.com that just over one-third of respondents (36 percent) said that they would come to the U.S., if they could. Of that group, 68 percent said they think that Mexican-Americans owe loyalty to Mexico over the United States.

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 11:21am

I keep hearing this government-subsidized health care thing, but I would like to know HOW it really happens. I know that certain ERs may not turn people away, but people are expected to pay. If they do not for whatever reason, the cost is absorbed by the hospital, and some of that probably is paid by the government. However, this would be true of legal and illegal immigrants as well as for citizens. Is that what you mean?

As far as being able to walk over the border and get a job etc, that has to do with economics and politics, but it being a privilege is perhaps overstating it a little. Immigrants, especially the illegal ones, tend to lead hard and difficult lives.

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 11:28am

The OP doesn't make clear that the country in which the survey was taken is......Mexico. Not the U.S. And when you look at the results from the Mexican angle, suddenly they seem much more reasonable. Talk about sins of omission! No link, no info, no amplification, just the same weary nativist copy-and-paste. Ho hum.

Also interesting that the poll was commissioned by the CIS--an organization which isn't exactly pro-immigration. "The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted." http://www.cis.org/About Doubts/concerns about the purpose of the poll would not be inappropriate.

I would also like to remind white nativists (a true misnomer given that most of them came from Europe originally and aren't native to the North American continent AT ALL) that there are peoples who were here long before the white colonists. I live in New Mexico. It was part of Mexico for much longer than it has been part of the U.S. Lots of Hispanic names. Santa Fe is celebrating the 400th anniversary of its founding. By comparison, NM has only been a state of the U.S. since 1912--less than a hundred years. Hispanic roots run deep here but only the ignorant and ethnocentric would ignore the context of history.




Edited 10/19/2009 11:38 am ET by jabberwocka

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 11:48am

Just so you know the background of the "Center" which commissioned the poll:, and thus have some clue about the purpose of the poll (From the Southern Poverty Law Center):


FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep racist roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene. He has met with leading white supremacists, promoted anti-Semitic ideas, and associated closely with the leaders of a eugenicist foundation once described by a leading newspaper as a "neo-Nazi organization." He has made a series of racist statements about Latinos and worried that they were outbreeding whites. At one point, he wrote candidly that to maintain American culture, "a European-American majority" is required.


FAIR, which Tanton founded and where he remains on the board, has been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Among the reasons are its acceptance of $1.2 million from the Pioneer Fund, a group founded to promote the genes of white colonials that funds studies of race, intelligence and genetics. FAIR has also hired as key officials men who also joined white supremacist groups. It has board members who regularly write for hate publications. It promotes racist conspiracy theories about Latinos. And it has produced television programming featuring white nationalists.


CIS was conceived by Tanton and began life as a program of FAIR. CIS presents itself as a scholarly think tank that produces serious immigration studies meant to serve "the broad national interest." But the reality is that CIS has never found any aspect of immigration that it liked, and it has frequently manipulated data to achieve the results it seeks. Its executive director last fall posted an item on the conservative National Review Online website about Washington Mutual, a bank that had earlier issued a press release about its inclusion on a list of "Business Diversity Elites" compiled by Hispanic Business magazine. Over a copy of the bank's press release, the CIS leader posted a headline — "Cause and Effect?" — that suggested a link between the bank's opening its ranks to Latinos and its subsequent collapse.

Jabberwocka

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 12:25pm
Getting to the down and dirty, the entire Confederacy was a revolt against the US and yet there is such pride behind that still.










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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 12:27pm
You're missing my point about dual citizenship. The US allows people to have dual citizenship and thus loyalty to more than one country which you are against. Do you think the US should disallow that?










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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 1:05pm

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 1:24pm

People are expected to pay unless they can show hardship. It's very easy in America to be an immigrant and show hardship. The hospital wants to get paid. Therefore, you don't let hardship cases walk out the door without first setting them up for EMA - emergency Medicaid assistance. No one asks them if they're in the country legally. No one cares. It is the taxpayer who provides the service of Medicaid, and it IS a privilege for those who need it.

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 1:32pm

LOL, I lived in LA for a while, near Beverly Hills. Same blessed thing. I used to ride my bike through the residential neighborhoods and it seemed like every house came equipped with 4-5 Mexicans for all the menial work. All the back of the house business of restaurants, services and shops was handled by Mexicans too. It amused me to imagine what would happen if they all went on strike. The place would have come to a grinding halt. Yet, people whined and complained about the illegals.

I do happen to think that it is a mess the way it is, for many reasons. It is not that I think it is a wonderful thing that the US has what amounts to a wide open border with Mexico. But it is a complicated problem and I do not see any easy solutions. However, one part of the solution would be to make it easier for people to become legal.

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 1:36pm

I fully agree with you that it is a problem and a mess. It just irks me when people, not you necessarily, harp on the immigrants themselves. Immigrants just want to work and provide a better life for their kids, in the vast majority of cases.

Is this EMA thing something new? When I was a young immigrant without insurance in the US nobody ever offered me this or mentioned it.

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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 2:10pm

Have you seen the movie "A Day Without A Mexican?" It speaks to this scenario. It is satire, but truth be told.


I know it isn't a good scenario. But, growing up in Southern Ca, surfing on the coast, seeing the people running across highways and scrambling up coastlines, as I surfed, seeing the peril they faced, just to work menial labor and live under some pretty rough conditions.....I don't think people understand the enemeshment of theillegals within the



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