Obama Hating Is Nutty & Dangerous

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Obama Hating Is Nutty & Dangerous
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Fri, 02-12-2010 - 12:38am

It is okay to hate in your heart, but it is NOT okay to hate so much that you risk innocent lives.    This is what that continuous low-level drum beat of hate of Obama produces:


http://www.ktvu.com/news/22465028/detail.html


No Contest Plea In Obama Tattoo Firebombing

February 4, 2010


SALINAS, Calif. -- A man suspected of firebombing a Monterey tattoo parlor after it refused to ink an offensive tattoo targeting President Barack Obama on his chest has pleaded no contest to arson charges.



According to the Monterey County District Attorney's Office, Nathan Augustine, 35, was arrested for the arson in October 2009.



Deputy District Attorney Douglas Matheson said Augustine had confessed to throwing a Molotov cocktail at Creative Visions, a tattoo parlor in Monterey, on July 13. He was also charged with and confessed to torching the Lattitudes restaurant in Pacific Grove on July 15th after he was turned down on a job application.



At the scene of the Monterey fire, investigators found vodka bottles converted into incendiary devices bearing the words "Russian Standard," a swastika, and a symbol similar to the British Union Jack with added diagonal lines through it in red ink handwriting.



Matheson said Augustine had visited Creative Visions and asked for a tattoo of a swastika and an image of President Obama overlaid with crosshairs.



"They refused to give it to him and he caused a little disturbance and left," he said.



Matheson said the arson cases began to crack open after Augustine was arrested in connection with a vandalism spree in Monterey. Between January and April 2009, a number of swastikas were painted around the city, along with the phrases "kill Obama" and "death to Obama."



A search of Augustine's home yielded numerous containers of lighter fluid, gloves similar to those found at Lattitudes and the symbol similar to the Union Jack with the added diagonal lines.



Augustine faces seven years in prison when he is sentenced March 12.>>>


 


 


 

 


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iVillage Member
Registered: 11-17-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:17pm

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Yeah, isn't amazing how that keeps getting missed (purposefully?) in numerous posts on this thread.))

Well it certainly isn't getting missed by me. What IS getting missed by EVERYONE on this board BUT me is how are law enforcement officials supposed to ask for this ID?

Your plan was to only ask criminals or those pulled over for traffic violations. You fail to answer my question of what about the illegals who break no other laws except entering the country illegally and stealing someone else's SS# so they can work.

How are law enforcement officials supposed to ask for this ID without some sort of racial profiling? How are they to know who is illegal and who is legal?

Why does THAT keep getting missed??? Purposefully, in numerous posts!

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-17-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:20pm

((Because it's much more purposeful to suggest "rounding up" everyone who might look hispanic as a solution and then attacking those who disagree.))

And your plan is????

And please don't say ID. Because illegals don't have id. Or they steal somebody else's to they can work. Officers are not allowed to ask them for ID just because they "look" hispanic

So....if they aren't breaking any laws.....how are law enforcement officials supposed to tackle this problem?

Anxiously awaiting YOUR answer.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-17-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:23pm

((I suppose that identification could be mandated to be shown to register a car, get a job, rent a home or apartment, or register your children for school.))

Do you have any idea how big the "fake ID" market is here?

It cracks me up all of you who think that ID will fix it all. How positively naive.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-28-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:23pm

I've answered the question. Perhaps you haven't read ahead enough.

My question to you is if illegals don't have ID then how to officers determine their legal status?

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-28-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:25pm

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It cracks me up all of you who think that ID will fix it all. How positively naive.>>

Why the nasty tone....again? As ALL of us who have discussed identification have stated, this needs to be a federal government identification that is impossible to forge. What part of that don't YOU get?

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-17-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:30pm

((I've answered the question. Perhaps you haven't read ahead enough.))

Well, I have read all the posts. Please tell me which post you answered my question of:

How are law enforcement officials supposed to ask for ID of illegals who are not criminals and are not pulled over for traffic violations?

I don't recall you answering that.

((My question to you is if illegals don't have ID then how to officers determine their legal status))

Illegals don't have ID....except what ever ID they brought over from their own country. Or they have fake ID. I don't know how officers determine their legal status. Most of the time, they are honest with the law, say they are here illegally, get deported, then just try again the next day. That's the reality of how it really works.

But I guess....according to everyone on this board....the officers should leave them alone. Otherwise it's harassment and racial profiling.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-11-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:31pm

Why does that little pesky detail keep getting swept under the rug? I am asking anyone on this board how law enforcement officials are to go about asking hispanic looking people for ID? What if a hispanic looking person who does not have ID on them but is legal gets asked? Do they get to sue? What is the law enforcement official supposed to do? Let them go? Detain them?>

I would take local law enforcement out of the picture altogether. Instead, ICE agents would go to workplaces, conduct surprise "raids," and have every single employee, including managers, produce identification. This would mean that blonds and red-heads would have to produce identification in addition to those who look Hispanic. Visits would be frequent in the types of companies that tend to hire undocumented workers - meat packing plants, construction sites, landscaping firms.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-28-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:39pm

You seem to be hung up on the whole issue of how law enforcement officers are not supposed to ask for ID or rounding up Hispanic illegals. If everyone has to have a tamper/forgery resistant ID in order to do most things in this country (like get a job, cash a check, purchase/rent, go to school or send their kids to school, register vehicles, get utilities, be treated in a hospital, or any other number of things), either illegal aliens will get caught when they attempt to do any of these things or they will go home because it will be much too difficult for them to live here.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-17-2009
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:46pm

((I would take local law enforcement out of the picture altogether. Instead, ICE agents would go to workplaces, conduct surprise "raids," and have every single employee, including managers, produce identification. This would mean that blonds and red-heads would have to produce identification in addition to those who look Hispanic.))

Sounds reasonable. However, most illegals who work in businesses have fake ID's or have stolen somebody else's SS#. The ICE agents would need to run EVERYONE'S SS# to make sure they are not stolen. Because if they only ran the hispanic looking workers SS#'s....that would be profiling. That would be extremely labor intensive and expensive.

((Visits would be frequent in the types of companies that tend to hire undocumented workers - meat packing plants, construction sites, landscaping firms.))

And these businesses would then sue because you would be profiling them because they have a large proportion of hispanic looking people working in their businesses. The ACLU would be all over that. You would have to include ALL businesses to be fair. That, again, would be unrealistic and extremely expensive.

I think, sadly, the bottom line is that nobody likes illegals being here but nobody has a big enough set to do anything about it....except Sheriff Arpaio. He gets the job done....and nobody likes that either. Go figure.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-30-2007
Tue, 02-16-2010 - 6:52pm

Maybe if we could pressure the Mexican government into paying it's residents a decent wage.

We have a lot of Somalians that live about 15 miles from me. ICE has visited the area quiet often. So it can be done.

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