The Liberals’ Creed

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The Liberals’ Creed
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Thu, 05-27-2004 - 9:47pm
Kirkuk, Iraq—For all the talk about a widening religiosity gap between the right and the left, sentiment from the left indicates a certain religious fervor about the war in Iraq. A string of recent letters and articles from those of a more liberal persuasion suggest that they choose to ignore or simply do not believe information which is inconsistent with their basic tenets. Theirs is a policy of faith, and here is their creed.

We believe in the United Nations, and Kofi Annan, the maker of international legitimacy.

We believe that the UN inspections worked.

We believe that SCUD missiles fired at U.S. troops minutes after the war began don’t change anything;

We believe that 3 liters of sarin gas used against U.S. troops doesn’t change anything;

We believe that finding evidence of mustard gas doesn’t change anything.

We believe that the war in Iraq conducted by a Republican president was unjustified because it lacked UN approval;

We believe that the "military action" in Kosovo conducted by a Democratic president was justified without UN approval.

We believe that the Iraq war was unilateral.

We believe that the participation of Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Thailand, United Kingdom, and Ukraine does not change the fact that the war was unilateral;

We believe that multilateralism can only be achieved with the participation of France and Germany;

We believe in multilateralism.

We believe that this war was motivated by greed and oil;

We believe that when France, Germany, and Russia opposed the war, they were motivated by principle, and not by sweetheart oil deals or Oil-For-Food kickbacks;

We believe that US oil prices are too high, and that the administration failed in its responsibility to do something about it.

We believe that the U.S. may only legitimately use force for humanitarian ends in one place if it does so in all places where aid might be needed;

We believe that the U.S. may not quell threats in places where the cost is relatively low unless it is willing to use force in places like North Korea, where the cost in lives would likely be very high;

We believe that a humanitarian action is only truly humanitarian if there are no strategic interests to muddle the altruism.

We believe that President Bush lied.

We believe that Prime Minister Blair lied.

We believe that when Hillary Clinton and Dick Gephardt voted for the war based on the same intelligence relied upon by Bush and Blair, they made reasonable decisions based on the intelligence available at the time.

We believe that the administration did not make the case for war;

We believe that the administration offered many different reasons but could not offer a coherent message explaining the need to go to war;

We believe that the administration made perfectly clear that the only reason we were going to war was because of the threat from WMDs.

We believe that there were no WMDs.

We believe that finding sarin gas is 14th page news;

We believe that if the sarin gas is old, then it really isn’t a WMD we were looking for;

We believe that it wasn’t really sarin gas;

We believe that sarin gas isn’t necessarily a WMD.

We believe that there was no terrorist connection to, or threat from, Iraq.

We believe that members of Abu Nidal in Iraq would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded;

We believe that al Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded;

We believe that Saddam’s terrorist training camp at Salman Pak—complete with a Boeing 707 plane used for hijacking drills—did not exist or posed no real threat;

We believe that it was merely a coincidence that the pharmaceutical factory bombed by President Clinton in Sudan was using al Qaeda funds and a uniquely Iraqi formula to produce VX gas;

We believe that we are responsible for bringing terror on ourselves.

We believe that the prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib is widespread and is probably the tip of the iceberg;

We believe that Abu Ghraib proves that the America’s occupation is no different than Saddam’s tyranny;

We believe that any attempt to suggest that there is a moral difference between a regime which systematically killed 300,000 people and tortured countless others and a regime which punished the acts of Abu Ghraib is illegitimate.

We believe that soldiers deliberately target women and children;

We believe that the soldiers abuse and kill Iraqis because they are racists;

We support our troops.

We believe that no one should question our statement that we "support our troops;"

We believe that the best thing that could happen for this country would be for Bush to lose in November;

We believe that the best way for Bush to lose in November is for the Iraq effort to go poorly, even if that means that more Iraqis and troops will die;

We believe that most of the troops are minorities and the poor;

We believe that when the word "heroes" is used to describe our troops, it should always be enclosed in scare quotes.

We believe in quagmire.

We believe that when fringe Iraqi groups attack hard targets and are soundly defeated with relatively low Coalition casualties, that this is inescapable evidence of crisis;

We believe that Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam.

We believe that Vietnam is the lens through which all wars should be viewed.

We believe that soldiers in Vietnam were baby killers;

We believe that John Kerry is a hero for his service in Vietnam.

We believe that because John Kerry is a hero, he necessarily has the national security expertise necessary to be commander-in-chief.

We believe that any attempt to question his national security expertise based on his voting record, including his decision to vote against a supplemental bill used to buy the soldiers body armor, is an unfair attack on the patriotism of a hero, who by virtue of this honorific has the expertise to be commander-in-chief.

We believe in the trinity: NPR, CNN, and the New York Times. We believe in Ted Kennedy, Tom Harkin, John Kerry, and all the DNC, and we look for President Clinton yet to come. Amen.


by: Robert Alt



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Registered: 03-24-2004
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:09am
I say this, make policies more fair and just and see what happens. It will even surprise you.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:17am
Going completely OT, but I didn’t want to use a thread. Sondra…

I’m a little curious about the 72 virgins after death issue. Is this generally believed as part of the faith or only believed by splinters of Muslimism? And what do women Muslims think about it? What role does the wife play in the afterlife? Is she still joined to her husband or does the union end at death?

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Registered: 04-05-2004
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:25am
More fair to terrorists? Define fair. Also, it seems that you believe that terrorism is a valid way to fight. Am I correctly assessing your stance?
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:46am
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a very dangerous one.
iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:48am
Funny how liberals are snowed into believing things but conservatives speak truth and see the light.

Reducing this to religion is a very dangerous thing to do.

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-21-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 11:52am
I ask this:

How many more people need to come forth disclaiming this adminstration?

We had O'neil, Wilson, Clarke and one other I can't remember his name at this moment.

Oh wait a minute let me answer your reply:

O'neil: Disgruntled that he was fired

Wilson: Just a one of those dam liberals

Clarke: Disgruntled over that he could not have close access to the President


If Tenent comes out and says negative things about Bush & Co., what will you say? Just covering his arse?

Powell? Has always been borderline liberal?

Rumsfeld? Covering his arse?

Rice? Just a woman trying to get ahead?

Cheney? You might start believing him, but will find something to discredit him?

Bush himself in 50 years sitting at his ranch? Now you finally believe.

I am only asking because according to you "us Liberals" discredit everything. Take a look in the mirror you do the same thing.

You say there is so much evidence that link Al Qaeda to Iraq,where did the intellegence come from? From what I understand alot of it came from Chalabi . Chalabi the same man they have accused of spying to Iran. The same Chalabi that Bush now says he may have met a few times, when in fact he had several powwow's with him.

I look at it this way, if everything that you spout is true, then why isn't Bush on TV at least once a week saying these things? Why isn't he pounding the table with this? Why do we get only 1 press conference in months? Why has Mr. Bush hired an outside attorney?

You make valid points sometimes, but your venom of words kills any postive message that you try to send. You say liberals blindly believe, well so do some conservatives and you being one of them.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 12:08pm
Forgot one...

The new Pentagon papers

By Karen Kwiatkowski

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-24-2004
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 12:09pm
It seems you will always thing negatively, so I will not say a word more ok? No matter what I say, you would or could not beleive me, so why bother? :-) I have said countless of times what I think, you have chosen not to listen, you just concentrate on what you want to concentrate on. So go back read each post I have had in this thread, word for word, and you will see exactly where I stand.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 12:17pm
ITA...Well put post..I have been thinking the same thing but my words tend to get me in trouble on this board. You have been very diplomatic in your words...
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Registered: 03-24-2004
Fri, 06-04-2004 - 12:21pm
HAHAHA! No it is a great question. Actually on the 72 virgins part, I think that is best to give you exact factual information, so give me till the end of the day and I will have it for you. This is one area that I have not truly concentrated on, all I know is that I want to get there, am absolutely terrified of HELL. I cant imaging something worse than Earth, but there is. I try never to say something I am not completely sure on.

What do I think? First, it is told that we will all be virgins in Heaven so I am not to worried about it. Also, all men and women are joined together unless the one or the other doesnt want this. People who die with not being married, will be able to have their choice of mate. I know it sounds really hard to beleive, but we are humans. In heaven, there are no bad feelings of jealousy, wars, hatred, etc. so how WE feel about it now, matters not.

Heaven is a place (I think all religions that have heaven in them can agree) which is unlike anything we know or are capable of imagining. Not one person alive today can say they have never felt hatred, jealousy, racism, problems, or peace at anytime in their life. So how can we then imagine a place that does not have any of this exisits?

If I can make it to heaven, I will be happy with anything that I get. I am not picky, just want that feeling of pure happiness that will never be achieved by humans on earth.

Thanks for asking.

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