Bush Hitler ad on Bush website

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Bush Hitler ad on Bush website
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Fri, 06-25-2004 - 11:40am
It is on the homepage. Opinions??

http://www.georgewbush.com/

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Tue, 06-29-2004 - 10:38am
Here's the statement which MoveOn.org released back in January when the Hitler ads were submitted to their contest:

ADS ATTACKED BY RNC CHAIRMAN

ARE NOT MOVEON.ORG VOTER FUND ADS



MoveOn.org Voter Fund Regrets Screening Process Allowed Ads to Slip Through



Statement by Wes Boyd, Founder of MoveOn.org Voter Fund:



The Republican National Committee and its chairman have falsely accused MoveOn.org of sponsoring ads on its website which compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler. The claim is deliberately and maliciously misleading.

During December the MoveOn.org Voter Fund invited members of the public to submit ads that purported to tell the truth about the President and his policies. More than 1,500 submissions from ordinary Americans came in and were posted on a web site, bushin30seconds.org, for the public to review.

None of these was our ad, nor did their appearance constitute endorsement or sponsorship by MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They will not appear on TV. We do not support the sentiment expressed in the two Hitler submissions. They were voted down by our members and the public, who reviewed the ads and submitted nearly 3 million critiques in the process of choosing the 15 finalist entries.

We agree that the two ads in question were in poor taste and deeply regret that they slipped through our screening process. In the future, if we publish or broadcast raw material, we will create a more effective filtering system.

Contrast this with the behavior of the RNC and its allies when supporters of President Bush used TV ads morphing the face of Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) into that of Osama Bin Laden during the 2002 Senate race.

MoveOn.org and the MoveOn.org Voter Fund exist to bring the public into the political process and produce a more fact-based election process. We regret that the RNC doesn’t seem to embrace the same goals.


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I do have to ad that I've read the RNC ads never actually "morphed" Cleland and bin Laden, but just showed them in some kind of split screen, but I haven't seen the actual ad.

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Bush makes his own worst press...here's my idea for an anti-Bush campaign ad - show the clips of the President saying "There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there...my answer is, bring 'em on." Then show news reports of US soldiers killed by car bombs, RPG's and "improvised explosive devices." End with a picture of the celebrating Iraqis in Falluja.

What's the message? "President Bush - gleefully making bad situations worse since 2001."

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Registered: 06-04-2004
Tue, 06-29-2004 - 12:53pm


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Uh, yeah you are :

"How about respecting my position as a fellow human being? Would that be too much to ask? This response is mind boggling"


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So let me get this straight...you don't care about how people view you on these boards but you want them to give you respect? Okey Dokey!


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I thought you didn't care to have anyone's respect even though you asked for it and then denied it again...I think you are confused. Do you want it or not? Do you care or not?

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Not necessarily...yo may feel you have a point, but others may not. Their is no end of story, it's all relative.

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I agree, I see it and get it all the time from those who hate Bush and to those who support him. It goes both ways!

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I agree but I don't think that has been refuted here...even though you are a human being you don't just get respect for being one is what a lot of people have said on these boards about Bush and Reagan especially Reagan when he died...that was my point...he was human and he died and to some being human doesn't count for squat.

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Yes but most people you are debating with are in a certain politcal party to begin with...so you are debating those views regardless who they are.

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What makes your way of debating any better then mine? Debates are meant to get heated, it happens all the time...when did I disrespect you? How am I not open-minded or intelligent? Don't you think by accusing me of not being those things that you are not respecting me? A little hypocritical don't you think? I am human am I not? Remeber this is about earning someone's respect...you brought that up yourself and even mentioned it in this post...you wanted to have respect for being human and that is what led to this conversation about "respect"...you said it not me...I only made a comment in regards to your plea for it. I think you need to look in the mirror before accusing someone of being narrow-minded, disrespectful (there's that word again), and unintelligent. You might be suprised at what you see and understand more why people respond to you the way they do.



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Registered: 06-16-2004
Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:18pm
Trying to earn respect is very different from being entitled to being treated with respect. Every human being should be treated with some basic respect.
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:20pm


I'm well aware that this is moveon.org's story, I'm just not buying it. I imagine they had quite a few vile anti-Bush ads submitted to the contest but no other ones (that I'm aware of) "slipped through their screening process". They only denounced it after getting a lot of negative publicity over it, so their "deep regret" rings a little hollow. In any case, whether the ad was created by moveon.org or some random Democratic supporter, the whole point of Bush's use of it was to show how angry and hateful the rhetoric against him has become, so whether the ad was created or endorsed by moveon is not really all that relevant.

What I find very amusing is that some are calling Bush "digusting" because of his use of an ad created by the opposition. The ones who created it, whoever they may be, are the disgusting ones, not Bush's campaign for bringing it to people's attention.



I haven't seen it either and don't know its context, so I can't really comment on it.



And that would be an unfair and inaccurate message. Yes, he misjudged the resistance, no question that he made mistakes in that regard, and was overconfident in his rhetoric-as I've said before, he is certainly no masterful politician. But to say that he is "gleeful" about the way things turned out is wrong. And while the situation in Iraq is quite unstable at the moment I think you would find few in that country who believe it was worse than under Saddam, except maybe the privileged few who benefited from his tyranny.

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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 2:21pm
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Uh, yeah you are :


Perhaps you fail to see the difference between respecting a person and respecting an opinion regardless of your personal feelings about that person or their beliefs.

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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 2:33pm
Excellent!
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 3:13pm

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Makes you wonder if George Soros, who is known for his Bush - Hitler/Nazi Germany comments, thinks it is disgusting of Bush to use this ad against

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Tue, 06-29-2004 - 5:44pm
I agree!
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 6:06pm
Ok, you have presented yourself more clear in this post, thank you. I do however have to question you when you accuse me of not being open minded...if I was not open minded I wouldn't take anything you say into consideration nor would I care to reply. I have come to these boards to discuss things and share my opinions with others as well as absorb those other sided POV's to see things from both sides. I never direspected your opinion but rather mentioned how there are people out there that don't respect people simply for being human, as I brought up Bush and Reagan. You took that to a whole new level and accused me of such things and even went as far as to say I am not receptive. Again I guess that is your opinion, but as you are not willing to see where I cam coming from you are not being receptive to me or my opinions. I actually don't care personally what you think of me but rather am wondering why you are accusing me of lacking such qualities without any support to back up such accusations. I think anyone here is in some way "open-minded" because otherwise it wouldn't benefit them at all to hear the opposing side of things. IMO you are not being receptive to what I am saying and only accusing me of having lacking qualities which has been determined to only make your response seem desperate for more emphasis. Anyways if you actually thought about it, I wasn't going against what you said but merely adding an example in your defense of how others forget the part of human decency and basic human respect. This whole long and drawn out discussion was just a defensive from you and why I don't know.
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Wed, 06-30-2004 - 12:17pm
"What I find very amusing is that some are calling Bush "digusting" because of his use of an ad created by the opposition. The ones who created it, whoever they may be, are the disgusting ones, not Bush's campaign for bringing it to people's attention."

I agree, agree, agree. I see this as another example of the left carrying two standards. Their side “made a mistake” our side is “disgusting.” When the reps proposed welfare reform, it would starve poor people, when Clinton finally signed it, it was “reasonable” legislation. When all the dems in the house & senate supported the use of force against Iraq, they were “doing what they had to do”, now it is “Bush forced us to go to war alone.” It is difficult to debate with the left because their arguments shift so often.

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