Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?

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Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:31pm

Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?



  • No
  • No, but I plan to
  • Yes


You will be able to change your vote.


 

The last time anyone listened to a Bush, they were lost for 40 years!   Looks like we're doomed to "wander" ano

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 10:37am
So it's OK to steal from someone you don't like, or even hate?

That's the bottomline isn't it..

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 10:46am
Posted on Sat, Jul. 10, 2004




A message from the voiceless

Listen to the true-blue, flag-waving, God-fearing American

MARY ENDRES


The air show breathed life into my failing spirit and affirmed for me that the heart of America and its people still beats strong with patriotism.










To all of you Michael Moore fans out there — take heed!

Last weekend, I attended the Kansas City Aviation Expo at the Wheeler Downtown Airport. According to reports, the air show drew the largest crowd in its history. On display were vintage military aircraft, WWII and Vietnam planes, and of course the United States Air Force Thunderbirds precision flying team. The event was a powerful reminder of the glory days of this country.

During the two days I spent watching the various aerial and static displays, I became increasingly aware of what it means to be an American. Not just any old American, but a true-blue, flag-waving, God-fearing American. An American who gets chills when “The Star-Spangled Banner” is played and swells with pride when the flag passes by.

The air show breathed life into my failing spirit and affirmed for me that the heart of America and its people still beats strong with patriotism.

This is my tribute to the voiceless citizens of this country who share my pride in our country and believe that God and democracy will prevail:

Common Man

I am the Common Man. I live in the Midwest, the South, Chicago and Seattle. I live everywhere in America. I am a farmer, businessman, minister, teacher and busboy. After work, I go home to my wife and kids.

I don't drink or take drugs, and I don't beat my wife. I watch the news and read the paper. I buy groceries and gas from the corner store. My neighbors know me as honest, hard-working and dependable. I am a decent man who worships God and believes that he created all mankind.

America is my country because the blood of my forefathers was shed on the fields of battle to defend it. But I have no voice because I am being suffocated by those who consider it their right to ignore me. I am too busy working to keep my head above water to do much else. Sure, you say, I can vote — and I do. But how do I stop those who are destroying democracy and freedom by their wanton attacks on everything I believe in?

Can you hear me?

I am the nameless, faceless numbers of men and women who regard integrity as an integral part of honor. But according to those who have liberal access to exercise their right of free speech, I exist only to be denigrated and mocked. I am told that I am not sophisticated enough to “get it.” Get what? Am I too stupid to recognize self-aggrandizement, greed and malice? Obviously, there are those who think so, because a lot of effort is put into dressing it up as freedom of speech.

Can you hear me?

I believe there is good, and I believe there is evil. I believe that the media, politicians, movie-makers, and special-interest groups are collectively using their constitutional rights to create a frenzy of distrust and unrest to feed their insatiable, self-serving needs. I have no access to the vast population of Americans who feel and think as I do. Where is my talk radio show? Where is my uncensored magazine? When will I be afforded the opportunity to speak unfettered on national television?

Can you hear me?

I don't speak a foreign language, and I probably never will. I will bet pretty soon, though, that my children will become bilingual because America will no longer be recognized as the great melting pot. You know, the melting pot where we all become Americans. Not the place where every ethnic group holds fast to its cultural practices and language and we acquiesce to meet its needs in the name of diversity and acceptance.

So, here I am. Waiting to be heard. Believing that America is the greatest place on earth. Trusting in God and our president. Tiring of all the gloom and doom of the naysayers. Worrying that we are no longer safe from those who seek to destroy us. Knowing that my America is being sacrificed on the altar of abuse of freedom of speech.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/opinion/9120588.htm

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 11:35am
Thanks mifskie. I thought some of the military posters here might know the answer.
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Registered: 03-31-2003
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 11:45am
It's well documented that the President remained in the classroom for 7 minutes after being told of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center. Dan Bartlett, the Bush White House Communications Director, has confirmed that too. It is not MM's "opinion" that the President sat there for 7 minutes when he could have been doing something (like giving the shoot down order at a time when it would have done any good...). It's a fact. You may disagree with the conclusions MM draws from the facts, but you can't dismiss the entire film as an opinion.

I can't find the uncut video online anymore, or I'd post it for you. But here's pertinent info from an article about it:

"In a CNBC television interview almost a year later, Mr. Card said that after he alerted Mr. Bush, "I pulled away from the president, and not that many seconds later, the president excused himself from the classroom, and we gathered in the holding room and talked about the situation."

But uncut videotape of the classroom visit obtained from the local cable-TV station director who shot it, and interviews with the teacher and principal, show that Mr. Bush remained in the classroom not for mere seconds, but for at least seven additional minutes. He followed along for five minutes as children read aloud a story about a pet goat. Then he stayed for at least another two minutes, asking the children questions and explaining to Ms. Rigell that he would have to leave more quickly than planned.

Mr. Bartlett confirmed in an interview that the president stayed in the classroom for at least seven minutes. The spokesman said that as the president's staff was trying to learn more about the plane crashes, there was no need to talk to Mr. Bush or pull him away. The president didn't leave immediately after receiving the news of the second crash from Mr. Card because Mr. Bush's "instinct was not to frighten the children by rushing out of the room," the spokesman added. Mr. Bush's motorcade left the school at approximately 9:35 a.m., 32 minutes after he entered the classroom, according to a White House timeline and analysis of the uncut videotape. "

http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/eternalsunshineofthespotlessmind/73.html

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 12:07pm


But then it's easier to have a clear conscience when one doesn't care.





Why ask someone else to do your work for you - look for the posts yourself.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 12:12pm


You were expecting a cartoon? That's the REALITY of war.



I can't either, nor can I imagine a president doing this to his country and the people who trusted him.


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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 12:15pm
Have you seen the movie?
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Wed, 07-14-2004 - 12:32pm






Charles Krauthammer

It's a new world and exceedingly dangerous — everything's at stake

http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | Thank G-d for Hans Blix. Whenever we become lax and forgetful about how the world changed on Sept. 11, former chief inspector Blix is there to make the case for mindless complacency. In a recent speech in Vienna he warned that one should be wary of the claim that "the risk that reckless groups and governments might acquire weapons of mass destruction is the greatest problem facing our world today." Why? Because "to hundreds of millions of people around the world, the big existential issue is hunger, and also that wherever you live on this planet, the risk of global warming and other environmental threats are existential."

Here we are at the crux of a debate over the United States' aggressive interventionism of the past few years. Is Islamic radicalism in potential alliance with terrorist states that possess such weapons a threat to the very existence (hence: "existential") of the United States and of civilization itself?

On Sept. 12, 2001, and for many months after, that proposition was so self-evident that it commanded near unanimous support. With time — three years in which, contrary to every expectation and prediction, the second shoe never dropped — that consensus has evaporated.

The new idea, expressed by Blix representing the decadent European left, and recently amplified by Michael Moore representing the paranoid American left, is that this existential threat is vastly overblown. Indeed, deliberately overblown by a corrupt/clueless (take your pick) President Bush to justify American aggression for reasons of . . . and here is where the left gets a little fuzzy, not quite being able to decide whether American aggression is intended simply to enrich multinational corporations — or maybe just Halliburton alone — with fat war contracts, distract from alleged failure in Afghanistan, satisfy some primal masculine urge or boost poll ratings.

We have come a long way in three years. The idea that Sept. 11 was a historic turning point, a wake-up call to a war declared by our enemies but ignored by us, has begun to fade. The week after the attacks, the late-night comedy shows went dark — and upon returning to the air they were almost apologetic about telling jokes, any jokes, ever again. Today, Moore produces a full-length film parody of Sept. 11 and its aftermath that is not just highly celebrated but commands a huge popular audience. To be sure, Moore's version is not quite as crazed as the French bestseller claiming that the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center were remotely controlled by the CIA at the behest of the president. Moore merely implies some sinister plot, citing connections between the Bush and bin Laden families. It's a long way from two years ago, when Rep. Cynthia McKinney was run out of Congress for suggesting that Bush had foreknowledge. (She is today in a tight race, with a very good chance of regaining her seat.)

Unlike the French book or the Moore movie, Blix is not deranged. He is merely in denial, discounting the uniqueness of the WMD-terrorism issue by comparing it to global warming and hunger. Yes, hunger is an existential issue to the people suffering it. As are car accidents, heart disease and earthquakes. But they hardly threaten to destroy civilization. Hunger is a scourge that has always been with us and that has not been a threat to humanity's existence for at least 1,000 years. Global warming might one day be, but not for decades, or even centuries, and with a gradualness that will leave years for countermeasures.

There is no gradualness and there are no countermeasures to a dozen nuclear warheads detonating simultaneously in U.S. cities. Think of what just two envelopes of anthrax did to paralyze the capital of the world's greatest superpower. A serious, coordinated attack on the United States using weapons of mass destruction could so shatter America as a functioning, advanced society that it would take generations to rebuild.

What is so dismaying is that such an obvious truth needs repeating. The passage of time, the propaganda of the anti-American left and the setbacks in Iraq have changed nothing of that truth. This is the first time in history that the knowledge of how to make society-destroying weapons has been democratized. Today small radical groups allied with small radical states can do the kind of damage to the world that in the past only a great, strategically located and industrialized power such as Germany or Japan could do.

It is a new world and exceedingly dangerous. Everything is at stake. We are now deeply engaged in a breast-beating exercise for not having connected the dots before Sept. 11. And yet here we are three years after Sept. 11, with the dots already connected, and we are under a powerful urge to ignore them completely.

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 1:02pm
Incredible how in there nothing is said of Oklahoma and its terrorists, nor the number of other countries who are already a KNOWN threat to the US (in terms of WMDs) nor the amount of people who die every single day in the US alone of AIDS, or other greater threats. But Iraq, with its POTENTIAL for threat, was singled out. Saudi Arabia, a horrible regime, and the country from which the terrorist (including Bin Laden) came from, and from which much of the funding comes from, is totally ignored.

That's what I call putting one's head in the sand!

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 07-14-2004 - 1:02pm

And if he had jumped up and bounded out of the room, MM would be using that footage to claim that Bush had foreknowledge of the attacks, because at that point,

Renee ~~~

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