Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?

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Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:31pm

Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?



  • No
  • No, but I plan to
  • Yes


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 10:40am
This is the problem AGAIN. Bush stayed there 7 minutes...He can't just leave. His flight had to be prepared and the area secured before he left unexpectedly. It doesn't matter...I think his time was better spent reading to children for 7 minutes rather than on a tarmac, or in a limo. BTW...What could he have done? The towers had already been hit..he can't rewind time.
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Registered: 06-16-2004
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 10:50am
If the President can't leave with less than 7 minutes advance warning, the US has a huge security problem. So you're saying that if he had been shot for example, or had a heart attack, he would not have been whisked away? That's totally ridiculous. He's the commander in chief, and this was a national emergency. He should have at the very least left the room, gone to another room in the school to get more information and discuss tactics. To me all the excuses people on this board are providing tell me that they have a 'blind faith' in George Bush, and he "can do no wrong' which defies what democracy is all about. People keep complaining that some people are voting with Kerry just because they can't stand Bush, but defending Bush with no facts to support it, is even worse. Why not just accept that at the very least it was unprofessional? If a general waited 7 minutes to do something when there was a major attack he'd be fired! If a doctor waited 7 minutes before doing something with a critical patient in front of him, he'd be sued from malpractice. An ability to react under stress is a REQUIREMENT of the job of 'president'!


Edited 7/15/2004 10:56 am ET ET by nicecanadianlady
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Thu, 07-15-2004 - 10:59am
He did react...again..I ask you..WHAT is he suppose to do? He can not rewind time. We had no idea who attacked us. Yes he could be whisked away at a moments notice, if he had a heart attack..IN AN AMBULANCE. I worked for a major airline for many years. You can't just take off in a jet at a moment's notice. There is a thing called AIRTRAFFIC that must be cleared. I can tell you it takes a lot longer than 7 minutes. You can disagree with the way he handled things. I have posted the reaction of the principal to President Bush's behavior that morning. She was quite impressed. I will be happy to post that link again if I need to.
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Registered: 03-31-2003
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:03am
Seven minutes is an eternity in an emergency situation. Bush learned of the second plane at 9:05. The third plane (which he didn't even know about) crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38. The President had a 35 minute window there in which he could have given orders to shoot the plane down, (he would have had an hour window if he had realized what was happening when he heard about the first plane. George Tenent knew immediately that it was an attack.) Sit there for seven minutes, then shake hands and chat for another three or four and your window goes from 35 minutes to 28. Precious time.

Fighter jets weren't scrambled to deal with the flight that crashed into the Pentagon until 9:30, and even if they had managed to reach it in time, there was nothing they could have done because the order to shoot it down can only be given by the President. That order was not given until sometime after 10am, when all four planes had already crashed. The order was also given by Cheney (who claims Bush relayed it to him over the phone) even though Cheney is not authorized to give such an order. Instead, at 9:30, President Bush was giving a live TV speech sending condolences to the victim's families and vowing to conduct a full-scale investigation. He wasn't even aware that two more planes had been hijacked, and that one was crashing into the Pentagon as he spoke. In fact, he said he was on his way back to Washington, unaware that Washington was under attack.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911.html

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:08am
<<"They DID evacuate after the plan hit! And they did evacuate the White House.">>.....OH?? So they did that during all of those seven minutes that President Bush "just sat there"?

Djie

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:41am
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Why do I need to see the film to discuss President Bush's actions? He's not a character being portrayed in a work of fiction for goodness sake.

Renee ~~~>


Hey, thank you for that.

And I've wasted as much of my life as I intend to on a board where one of the moderator's of "POLITICS" refuses to watch the most important political movie of the year, the very movie she's critizing ad nauseum on a thread ABOUT the movie lol!

She tells everyone the movie is a lie, that Bush's reactions were perfectly normal, etc. etc. etc. and hasn't even seen it - what a joke.

Let's hope that when election time rolls around the rest of America is more open-minded (maybe you can start your own little (I mean huge of course) country where Bush is president and the motto is: "Hear no evil, see no evil but speak evil and do evil like there's no God in heaven."

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:43am
We're off topic anyhow. Who said anything about being "flown" away? One can have phone conversations, analyse information and make important decisions in a whole lot of places other than in the White House. However one can't do that while reading a story to children! But enough about this topic. Sounds to me like whatever he does, people just give him excuses.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:45am
<<"The third plane (which he didn't even know about) crashed into the Pentagon at 9:38.">>..so much for the 35 minute window. He didn't have one, so what does that have to do with "strong leadership"?.

Djie

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 11:48am
I meant 'plane', not 'plan'. The Pentagon was evacuated AFTER the plane hit IT, so clearly, there's no such 'impossibility' to evacuate the Pentagon. That was about half an hour AFTER those infamous seven minutes. Maybe if he had given the orders to evacuate all government buildings at that time, nobody would have died in the Pentagon. After all, they knew that two more planes had been highjacked and were coming in that general direction. Half an hour is enough time to evacuate most buildings.


Edited 7/15/2004 11:49 am ET ET by nicecanadianlady
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Registered: 06-17-2004
Thu, 07-15-2004 - 12:17pm

There were not any armed jets able to get in the air until after the planes had crashed.

Renee ~~~

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