Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?

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Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:31pm

Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?



  • No
  • No, but I plan to
  • Yes


You will be able to change your vote.


 

The last time anyone listened to a Bush, they were lost for 40 years!   Looks like we're doomed to "wander" ano

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Registered: 08-12-2004
Wed, 09-15-2004 - 10:57pm
I don't know how much you watch him, because it's not on every show to the same degree, but it's not so much the positions he takes, but the stupid questions he asks that sound like they came from the desk of Carl Rove. For instance he would go on and on week after week about "how come Americans think Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11?", like it's a big debateable question and "let's get both sides of the issue on this important story"- BALONEY, only idiots think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Why waste time on a non-issue except to keep from focusing on the real problems of this country. Joe Scarborough is conservative, and I like watching his show more lately because he at least talks about more things that are important.
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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 12:38am

Renee ~~~

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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 8:13am
Yes, if that's the 9/11 you were referring to, it was invaluable.

 

The last time anyone listened to a Bush, they were lost for 40 years!   Looks like we're doomed to "wander" ano

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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 9:04am
Why vote if you live in fly-over country & the electoral college is dumped. States like CA & NY can decide who is our next president. How Democratic! ...in addition:


http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040822-104445-7437r.htm

Electoral College virtues . . . and vices

By Paul Greenberg

Published August 23, 2004

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It happens every four years. The country is seized by what can only be called Fear of the Electoral College. The punditry and the professoriate begin the quadrennial chant: This is no way to elect a president. It's unfair, undemocratic, illogical, and the sky is about to fall. We're all supposed to View With Alarm. Or maybe amend the Constitution.

The remedy? Dump the Electoral College and choose the president by popular vote.

Well, not all Electoral College critics are quite that simple-minded. They do recognize the danger of just throwing a presidential election open to all comers and handing the prize to the candidate with the most votes.

Think about it: Suppose a couple dozen candidates split the popular vote every which way, and we wind up with a president who polled, say, only 20 percent of the vote. That is actually more than French President Jacques Chirac received in the first round of that country's last presidential election/round-robin/French farce. Some mandate, some legitimacy.

That's why even some who would dump this country's Electoral College in favor of a popular vote would require a runoff if no candidate got 40 percent of the vote.

So why not do as the French do? Because:

(1) The Electoral College doesn't exist apart from the rest of the constitutional system. Change one element, and you affect them all. Jettison the Electoral College, and you undermine the two-party system. Without the Electoral College, which pretty much gives the winner in each state all that state's electoral votes, there would be little incentive to have just two parties. If the popular vote were all, everybody could vote for their favorite candidate first time around -- Ralph Nader, Pat Buchanan, Howard Dean, whoever.

Boy, wouldn't everybody be surprised when one or the other "major" candidates, or both, failed to make it into the runoff? In the last French election, the respectable if colorless left-of-center candidate didn't. A xenophobic right-winger (Jean-Marie Le Pen) did. In the runoff, voters got a choice between right and righter. In the great poker game of American politics, who knows how wild the two remaining cards would be?

(2) At least the Electoral College confines fights over contested votes to decisive states. There's no percentage in contesting votes nationwide. But suppose the presidential election hinged on disputed vote totals across the country, or on just a few thousand in traditionally suspect locales like South Texas or Cook County, Ill., in addition to South Florida?

Every presidential election could go on as long as the last one, if not longer. A note to all those who thought the 2000 election was a confused mess: If the Electoral College is junked, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

(3) Just imagine the deals that could be cut between the first and second rounds of such a presidential election. A couple of presidential elections have wound up in the House of Representatives -- 1800 and 1824 -- and both were marked with tricky negotiations or worse. "Corrupt Bargain," the Jacksonians cried when they lost in 1824, and the most famous duel in American history -- between Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton -- stemmed from the election of 1800.

But those were long-ago exceptions to a system that, almost every other election year, has gone so smoothly, quickly and fairly that most Americans may have no idea how the Electoral College works. Maybe we should examine it before we discard it. Because, without an Electoral College to effectively limit the field to two candidates from the first, the negotiating that would go on before a runoff might make Corrupt Bargain sound like an understatement.

(4) For all its ups and downs over the past two centuries, the Electoral College is a product of tradition, change and adjustments over the years -- in short, hard-won experience. A straight popular vote for president is one of those bright, shiny ideas that, as good as they look in the abstract, have never been tested in reality.

But it's an election year, and once again we're being told to drop this old, antiquated system (our elite tend to assume Old and Antiquated are synonyms) in favor of the French model. How many Republics have the French had by now? Five? One loses count. We Americans are still on our first, in large part because we do not discard our institutions lightly.

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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 11:08am
One of the best documentaries I have seen in a long while.
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Thu, 09-16-2004 - 11:12am
That is because he is losing his journalistic skills, and they are being replaced by TV skills, where ratings are paramount. I think TV has a way of ruining a good investigative journalists instincts....dont ask me why but it does seem that way.

I do think he is tough when he needs to be, but goes overboard quite a lot.

I also think he shows his partisan side, and he is very partisan. Afterall, he was a speechwriter and White House aide for Carter, and served as a top aide to Tip O'Neil.

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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 1:12pm

Sorry to nitpick as well, but :


<<"But can you imagine what a different film it would be if the first shot was of the August 6th PDB headline "Bin Laden Determined to Hijack US Planes"? ">>..... Yes I can, especially knowing that the Aug. 6 memo really read:

Djie

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Thu, 09-16-2004 - 4:48pm
Thank you Renee...glad to be here...such a hot topic!!





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Registered: 03-31-2003
Thu, 09-16-2004 - 6:47pm
I stand corrected. I was too lazy to look it up.
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Fri, 09-17-2004 - 1:11pm
<<"How can you think that the world is perfect on your side of it but so twisted and horrid over here?">>.....I have nó idea how you came to this conclusion.

I wás going to seriously respond to what you were saying,

Djie

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