Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?

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Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?
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Tue, 06-29-2004 - 1:31pm

Did you see "Fahrenheit 911" ?



  • No
  • No, but I plan to
  • Yes


You will be able to change your vote.


 

The last time anyone listened to a Bush, they were lost for 40 years!   Looks like we're doomed to "wander" ano

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Registered: 05-09-2003
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 3:42pm
I've not yet received mine either... I'm moving to North Carolina from Maryland next week but will have to do the absentee since the cut off date to register in NC is the day after I move. I'm not sure where it is, but I hope it gets here soon! It's the most critical election I will have voted in so far.

"Without music, life is a journey through the desert"...

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Registered: 08-05-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 3:44pm
When the man came and told Bush what happened couldn't he have apologized and left and said there was something he needed to take care of? I know they were doing their lesson but I'm sure they had a stopping point or a little break where he could have said something or he could have maybe polietly interupted and could have made a re-appointment since the school is in Florida and his brother is gov. I wouldn't want him to scare the little kids or anything like that of course. Does anybody know what he did after that? Did he go straight to D.C. or to NYC or something? I'm just curious. XOXO.
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Registered: 08-05-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 3:47pm
I agree with Donna. Just because I don't agree with something Bush says and/or does doesn't mean I'm not as much as an American as the person next door to me or the person down the road with their Bush/Cheney sign in their yard. It's my freedom to want to know more about the situation and if someone can show me something that proves this or that then that's great, but I don't have to always agree with what Bush says or does. Like with Iraq I personally think and believe he should have had a little more time to investigate and to make sure he had the right country with the weapons and if there were any there and any ties, threats, etc. *shrug* And it's like what Donna's quote says and I find that true. XOXO.
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Registered: 08-12-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 4:09pm
I don't see what I want to see, I saw what was captured on video tape by the teacher of the class. It showed a President looking like a deer caught in the headlights (and that is being generous) for at least seven minutes. During that seven minutes he could have excused himself politely, got on the phone with the Pentagon and ordered any planes in unauthorized airspace to be shot down if they didn't have an extremely good reason for being there. He could have done this calmly, and deliberately, without going into a panic.

And since you know what he was going through (are you a member of his family or inner circle, is that you Carl? Laura? one of the Twins?), then you must know that when we are at war, and under attack, for the Commander in Chief of the United States of America not to know that time is of the essence is the height of irresponsibility.

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Registered: 08-21-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 4:28pm

"for the Commander in Chief of the United States of America not to know that time is of the essence is the height of irresponsibility"


AMEN!!!

Donna

Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President. -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna
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Registered: 05-12-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 6:18pm
that is the best laugh I have had all day, and I have had a few of them. ROFL
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Wed, 09-22-2004 - 6:19pm
Ok now I know you are being funny, you had me going for a minute there! Good stuff!
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Registered: 05-12-2004
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 6:27pm
Stop it, I swear, my sides hurt, I am laughing so hard!

Do you really think that you know what was going on in a guy's brain????? even Moore said, that while nobody knows what he was thinking, here are some ideas and then added his own commentary about '"maybe I should not have gone on vacation for so long..etc etc.."

you are a laugh riot. I swear I thought you were joking, you can't be serious???
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Wed, 09-22-2004 - 8:35pm
WMD...<< That is just not true. If you can prove it please do so. No one else has been able to. >>

Here you go!





http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php (satellite images, maps and further sources included at website)

A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites

06 January, 2004

AFP

Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are:







-1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels.

-2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are stored there.

-3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city.





Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.

In February 2003, a month before America's invasion in Iraq, very few are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation.

Nayouf, who has won prizes for journalistic integrity, says he wrote his letter because he has terminal cancer.







First Message from the Syrian source to Nizar Nayouf



"Dear Nizar.

We received confirmations that the Iraqi weapons, which were moved to Syria by the help of General Zoul-Himla Chalich are now hidden in three places inside Syria:

First place: a tunnel dug in the mountain close to the Al-Baïdah village, which is roughly two kilometers from Misyaf village. This place is under the 489 Safety cipher Documents' office control .

Second place: the factory of the Air Armed Forces in the village of Tal Sinan, between the town of Hama and Salamiyyah. This factory is under the Air Force control.

Third place: the location of Shinsar, 40 kilometers south of Homs, two kilometers east of the Homs - Damascus road. There are underground tunnels there, controlled by Brigade 661 of the armed air Forces. It is a Brigade of air Patrol. The tunnels are several tens of meters deep.

The weapons were transported in large wooden cases and barrels, under the supervision of the General Zoul-Himla Chalich and the son of his brother Assef, who works at Al-Bachaer company.

The company is owned by the Assad family and has offices in Beirut, Damascus and Baghdad.

This company also undertook the illegal Iraqi oil importation in Syria, and supplied weapons to Saddam. I will try to send you all the new information as i get .

Take care and be safe."

Second Message to Nizar Nayuf





"Dear Nizar.

I have sent you another chart of the positions which tells where the weapons which were sent from Iraq into Syria, are hidden. Because the preceding chart that I sent you earlier is not clear.

Until now, the authorities in Syria did not worry of what was being published by the Dutch television news about this subject.

New information: The weapons were evacuated by the means of ambulances. Mohammed Mansoura also took part in the operation.

There are other serious, detailed pieces of information concerning the money of Saddam being moved into Syria and into Lebanon and those who took part in moving it - Syrians and Lebanese.Also there are more details about the assassination of the General Moustapha Tajer which took place last summer.

Take care of yourself.

Damascus, January 7, 2004."






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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040816-011235-4438r.htm

Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials

By Rowan Scarborough

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.

The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.

Two defense sources told The Washington Times that the ISG has interviewed Iraqis who told of Saddam's system of dispatching his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to the border, where they would send border inspectors away.

The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.

"If you leave it to border guards, then the border guards could stop the trucks and extract their 10 percent, just like the mob would do," said a Pentagon official who asked not to be named. "Saddam's family was controlling the black market, and it was a good opportunity for them to make money."

Sources said Saddam and his family grew rich from this black market and personally dispatched his dreaded intelligence service to the border to make sure the shipments got through.

The ISG is a 1,400-member team organized by the Pentagon and CIA to hunt for Saddam's suspected stockpiles of WMD, such as chemical and biological agents. So far, the search has failed to find such stockpiles, which were the main reason for President Bush ordering the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam.

But there is evidence of unusually heavy truck traffic into Syria in the days before the attack, and with it, speculation that some of the trucks contained the banned weapons.

"Of course, it's always suspicious," the Pentagon official said.

The source said the ISG has confirmed the practice of IIS agents going to the border. Investigators also have heard from Iraqi sources that this maneuver was done days before the war at a time of brisk cross-border movements.

That particular part of the disclosures has not been positively confirmed, the officials said, although it dovetails with Saddam's system of switching guards at a time when contraband was shipped.

The United States spotted the heavy truck traffic via satellite imagery before the war. But spy cameras cannot look through truck canopies, and the ISG has not been able to determine whether any weapons were sent to Syria for hiding.

In an interview in October, retired Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper Jr., who heads the U.S. agency that processes and analyzes satellite imagery, said he thinks that Saddam's underlings hid banned weapons of mass destruction before the war.

"I think personally that those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," said Gen. Clapper, who heads the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. "I'll call it an 'educated hunch.' "

He added, "I think probably in the few months running up prior to the onset of combat that I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private homes, move documentation and materials out of the country. I think there are any number of things that they would have done."

Of activity on the Syrian border, Gen. Clapper said, "There is no question that there was a lot of traffic, increase in traffic up to the immediate onset of combat and certainly during Iraqi Freedom. ... The obvious conclusion one draws is the sudden upturn, uptick in traffic which may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq and unquestionably, I'm sure, material as well."

He also said, "Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of WMD activity. ... Actually knowing what is going on inside a building is quite a different thing than, say, this facility may well be a place where there may be WMD."

The Iraq Survey Group, which periodically briefs senior officials and Congress, is due to deliver its next report in September. In addition to interviewing hundreds of Iraqis, the ISG has collected and cataloged millions of pages of documents, not all of which have been fully examined.

Although Syria and Iraq competed for influence in the region, they shared the same Ba'athist socialist ideology and maintained close ties at certain government levels. The United States accused Syria during the war of harboring some of Saddam's inner circle.



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Wed, 09-22-2004 - 9:07pm
The point being that whatever WMD they had were moved and no longer in Iraq. That's the point. Not in Iraq.
Donna

"Patriotism means to stand by the Country. It does not mean to stand by the President." -- Theodore Roosevelt.

Donna

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