Edwards, Not Bad, but Not First

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Edwards, Not Bad, but Not First
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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 3:29pm
Bush Ad Paints Edwards As Second Choice http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4282080,00.html
Tuesday July 6, 2004 4:16 PM AP Photo WX101 By LIZ SIDOTI Associate Press Writer

PITTSBURGH (AP) - President Bush's re-election campaign will launch a television ad featuring former Republican rival John McCain and titled ``First Choice,'' an effort to paint Democrat John Kerry's running mate as his second choice.

McCain, the Arizona senator, rejected Kerry's overtures to be No. 2 on the Democratic ticket. On Tuesday, he selected Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., to be his running mate.

``He has not wavered, he has not flinched from the hard choices, he was determined and remains determined to make this world a better, safer, freer place. He deserves not only our support but our admiration,'' McCain says of Bush in the ad.

The 60-second commercial - titled ``First Choice'' - shows McCain speaking when he campaigned with Bush in Reno, Nev., last month, praising Bush's efforts in the war on terror. The ad is to run soon on national cable networks and in selected local media markets in battleground states.

``America is under attack by depraved enemies who oppose our every interest and hate every value we hold dear,'' McCain is shown saying. Referring to Bush, the senator says: ``It is the great test of our generation and he has led with great moral clarity and firm resolve.''

In May, Kerry ran a biographical ad that showed a picture of himself with a hand on McCain's shoulder, as the two walked away from the camera. The ad said: ``He joined with John McCain to find the truth about POWs and MIAs in Vietnam.''

The Bush campaign has not run ads for more than two weeks in local media markets in 20 battleground states where it had been on the air. It has been off the air on national cable channels for more than a week. The campaign spent $83 million on advertising over three months. As of Friday, it had not yet bought airtime for July.

Last month, McCain - Bush's rival for the GOP presidential nomination in 2000 - rejected the notion of a bipartisan ticket with Kerry, and shortly thereafter appeared with Bush.

Kerry and McCain, fellow senators and Vietnam veterans, became close when they worked together to help President Clinton normalize relations with Vietnam. On the other hand, McCain has had a cool relationship with Bush, and the 2000 campaign was so bitter that it left wounds some believe may never heal.

Since Kerry secured the nomination in early March, McCain has praised him as ``a good and decent man.'' McCain also defended Kerry when the White House accused the Democrat of being weak on defense.

Renee ~~~

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:05pm
Well, you know, the last trial lawyer who occupied the White House did okay. His name was Abraham Lincoln. His firm was one of the highest paid law firms in Illinois. And when the War of Confederate Succession broke out, many people didn't think he had the experience to deal with the situation. But Lincoln learned fast, could grasp complex ideas and explain them in terms the average American could understand. Most good trial lawyers can do that.

And by the way, would you please explain to me what, exactly, is wrong with being a trial lawyer? I've never been able to figure out how someone who presents evidence to twelve normal people, seated on a jury, and has these twelve normal people find for his or her client, is such a bad thing to be.

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:07pm
As I said before I can't "make" someone see something they have convinced themselves is not there. I know the sick feelings I get in my heart when I read some of these posts. When I first started posting here certain people posted some very cruel words to me that I felt I did not deserve. Not exactly a "welcome". What I don't understand is why a person can't apologize when they are told their words hurt. I definitely don't see much of that. I am not perfect but when I find myself stooping to the cruel condesending level of others on here I have learned to walk away. Nothing on this board is worth losing my self respect.
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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:29pm
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Thanks for the welcome. I haven't had anyone be rude to me personally, but as I said, it's really too bad to see it in general. There seem to be a lot of intelligent contributors here but that all gets put aside when personal attacks are happening. I guess sometimes people just post before they think. :-)

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Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:30pm
No I don't think that would be appropriate besides it's not just the cls and I think you know that. We have been asked to get off of this subject so I will respect that request. Consider this a cop out if you wish I really don't care.
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Registered: 03-24-2003
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:32pm
>>Of course they seem "civil" to YOU. You agree with them and vice versa...I happen to be treated with such unnecessary rudeness and with lack of respect on that board...I believe they even go as far as to try to get rid of certain posters by claiming they broke the terms and conditions.<<

I don't hate people because of their political beliefs. I will say again I like Miffy, so what if we disagree on politics? There are a lot of people who need to learn to be civil, our society needs a massive dose of civility. That someone is liberal or conservative does not make them evil. When someone starts putting down groups, it can get personal, but few here have done that.

For anyone who has issue with the cls on the other board, I suggest looking at personal attitude, and not point of view.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 9:48pm
Consider the cold war was over, there was no need for the massive spending of the 1980's. And when accounting for inflation, even the defence budget now, with a war having been fought and an ongoing occupation, they still aren't that different.

Just something to keep in mind. For the record, Clinton is for increasing defence spending, and the number of troops in uniform.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 10:35pm

<<Well, you know, the last trial lawyer who occupied the White House did okay. His name was Abraham Lincoln. >>


I'm surprised there haven't been any since then. Are you sure he was the last?


<<. His firm was one of the highest paid law firms in Illinois. >>


True, and if I remember correctly his profession was a issue in his state & national campaigns.


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 07-07-2004 - 11:11pm
Obviously, the business world hates trial lawyers. However, it does overlook two things. One, in a law suit, to succeed, you have to explain to twelve citizen, selected more or less at random, why someone is entitled to a verdict and why they are entitled to a particular amount. What the article shows, really, is a contempt for the citizens who report of jury duty, take an oath to render a fair and impartial verdict and then listen, for days at a time to the evidence presented, and often, for days at a time, debate the merits of the evidence and try hard to render a just verdict.

I, for one, have faith in my fellow citizens, who take the oath as jurors, to do the right thing. And perhaps that is why the business hates trial lawyers as much as they do. I suspect that they know these citizens will try to do the right thing, and they know when the dirty laundry comes out these citizens will.

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:32am
I don't need you to "make" me do anything...just because I haven't seen what you are talking about in regards to the cl's doesn't mean I choose not to see it...it means I have yet to, so that is where you come in and show me. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink...you haven't and won't even lead me to the water so to speak. Maybe I could understand yor gripe if you'd just simply give me one example...am I supposed to just take your word for it?
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Registered: 03-31-2003
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 12:49am
I think that creating seperate Dem and Rep boards is a terrible idea. Do we really need to form ideological ghettos? This country is divided enough as it is.

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