Edwards, Not Bad, but Not First

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Edwards, Not Bad, but Not First
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Tue, 07-06-2004 - 3:29pm
Bush Ad Paints Edwards As Second Choice http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4282080,00.html
Tuesday July 6, 2004 4:16 PM AP Photo WX101 By LIZ SIDOTI Associate Press Writer

PITTSBURGH (AP) - President Bush's re-election campaign will launch a television ad featuring former Republican rival John McCain and titled ``First Choice,'' an effort to paint Democrat John Kerry's running mate as his second choice.

McCain, the Arizona senator, rejected Kerry's overtures to be No. 2 on the Democratic ticket. On Tuesday, he selected Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., to be his running mate.

``He has not wavered, he has not flinched from the hard choices, he was determined and remains determined to make this world a better, safer, freer place. He deserves not only our support but our admiration,'' McCain says of Bush in the ad.

The 60-second commercial - titled ``First Choice'' - shows McCain speaking when he campaigned with Bush in Reno, Nev., last month, praising Bush's efforts in the war on terror. The ad is to run soon on national cable networks and in selected local media markets in battleground states.

``America is under attack by depraved enemies who oppose our every interest and hate every value we hold dear,'' McCain is shown saying. Referring to Bush, the senator says: ``It is the great test of our generation and he has led with great moral clarity and firm resolve.''

In May, Kerry ran a biographical ad that showed a picture of himself with a hand on McCain's shoulder, as the two walked away from the camera. The ad said: ``He joined with John McCain to find the truth about POWs and MIAs in Vietnam.''

The Bush campaign has not run ads for more than two weeks in local media markets in 20 battleground states where it had been on the air. It has been off the air on national cable channels for more than a week. The campaign spent $83 million on advertising over three months. As of Friday, it had not yet bought airtime for July.

Last month, McCain - Bush's rival for the GOP presidential nomination in 2000 - rejected the notion of a bipartisan ticket with Kerry, and shortly thereafter appeared with Bush.

Kerry and McCain, fellow senators and Vietnam veterans, became close when they worked together to help President Clinton normalize relations with Vietnam. On the other hand, McCain has had a cool relationship with Bush, and the 2000 campaign was so bitter that it left wounds some believe may never heal.

Since Kerry secured the nomination in early March, McCain has praised him as ``a good and decent man.'' McCain also defended Kerry when the White House accused the Democrat of being weak on defense.

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 7:59am
For someone that supports our legal system, you do not appear to have much faith in the views of 9 independent judge’s enforcing the rule of law. That is to say it is illegal to change voting laws during an election as Florida attempted to do.

"Maybe in the next election, we'll get to have the president who actually wins."

We have that now.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 8:13am
Try that spending pattern with welfare, SS, or any other social program and guess what the left would call that.

Going OT, but I’ve been meaning to ask you….

You oppose Bush’s attempt for an amendment against gay marriage and point to (in your opinion) the contradiction of Bush claiming this is a state issue and then later pressing for a constitutional amendment.

Well, what if his proposed amendment said that each state had the right to decide their stance on gay marriage, but the Faith and Credit clause of the constitution would not apply with gay marriage. That would mean California (or wherever) could pass gay marriage, but their marriage would only be recognized in other states that chose to recognize said marriage. What do you think about that?

The Faith and Credit clause already has numerous exceptions. Commercial vehicles are required to be plated in multiple states. A license to practice law, medicine, education, and psychology usually requires re-licensing when moving a practice from one state to another.

I guess what I see the gay community accusing Bush of attempting to do is very much the same as what the gay community itself is attempting. Getting gay marriage passed in one state and by use of the Faith and Credit clause, impose the decision of that one state on all the other states.

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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 8:52am
I sent you a reply yesterday, did you receive it?

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 9:21am
This morning I caught the last few minutes of an interview with a pollster (Rassmusen, I think?) on Fox & Friends who was saying that since the VP announcement, Kerry got a 2 point bounce, not the standard 15.

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 08-22-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 9:53am
Thanks for clearing that up, it was kind of misleading IMHO.
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Registered: 06-29-2004
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 11:56am
Exactly! My grandmother would have a few words for those whinning now about recession. She is still alive and talks about it all the time...she'd slap these people silly and set them straight with what a real "recession" is. Some people have no clue.
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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 12:18pm

<<She is still alive and talks about it all the time...she'd slap these people silly and set them straight with what a real "recession" is. Some people have no clue.>>


The language has been devalued. 'Torture' is now what Lyndie England did instead of what Saddam did in Abu Graib, and the US is fascist instead of Nazi Germany.

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 1:08pm
>>Well, what if his proposed amendment said that each state had the right to decide their stance on gay marriage, but the Faith and Credit clause of the constitution would not apply with gay marriage. That would mean California (or wherever) could pass gay marriage, but their marriage would only be recognized in other states that chose to recognize said marriage. What do you think about that?

The Faith and Credit clause already has numerous exceptions. Commercial vehicles are required to be plated in multiple states. A license to practice law, medicine, education, and psychology usually requires re-licensing when moving a practice from one state to another.<<

We can't accept that. Orientation is natural, and it should be considered a human right not to be trod over by others simply because of numbers. Leaving it to states would leave many unable to legally marry their partner.

I guess what I see the gay community accusing Bush of attempting to do is very much the same as what the gay community itself is attempting. Getting gay marriage passed in one state and by use of the Faith and Credit clause, impose the decision of that one state on all the other states.

We are obviously working to make it legal in all states. Ultimately this is likely because the US Supreme Court seems inclined to rule that way. It's not a matter of telling states what to do, it is a matter of states keeping bigotry codified as law. Human rights should not be subject to the whims of a majority.

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 1:09pm
I did indeed, and thanks! Was intending to reply this afternoon...
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Registered: 06-29-2004
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 1:42pm
I know it...some people exxaggerate and what I have noticed is the unwarranted complaining so many do...I would love for some of these people to really experience the actual defintions of the words they use to accuse or judge or complain about, they'd think twice about using such terms.

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