Double Standards of some Liberals

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Double Standards of some Liberals
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm
I thought this was interesting while driving home from work I heard this whole thing. Tell me what you think.



I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.

The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.

Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:50pm
And then we flip the coin...

was listening to Michael Savage rant on the way home last night... he was dissing Teresa Heinz (we can't have another powerful woman in the White House, she scares poor Michael) by making fun of her speech and accent. Then it was Edwards for making money as a trial lawyer (is this the mouthings of someone who supports free enterprise?) all the while saying he didn't want to hear about Halliburton (of course not.)

Be prepared. Whatever your outlook, be it conservative or liberal... things that should not be targeted... where you are from (last I knew this was America, and all 50 states are a part of it) ethnic background, and appearance. Challenge on records, DNC and RNC. You do no one any favours by being a source of division.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:23pm
Yeah but don't you think that is just petty nit picking? I was making a point as to how some people can conveniently forget and ignorantly believe something not realizing that they basically just contradicted themselves and are so focused on believing and supporting whomever because of their political stance?
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Registered: 04-04-2003
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 2:44pm
From where I stand, it sounds like your post should be titled "Double Standards of ONE Liberal".

I hadn't heard about what Kerry said about his experiences in the war and "atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in" while in Vietnam though I have read many accounts by soldiers in war time wracked with guilt of the things they did in the name of war. I did hear something about a rescue that Kerry participated in or something butthat's the only thing I'd read.

Was the point of this post trying to make some sort of broad conclusion about liberals in general based upon this one man's loss of words after being put on the spot with new information he didn't know about?

I find double standards everywhere. Now that Kerry has chosen his running mate I'm amused (in a sad sor of way) about how the Republicans are all coming out and being critical that these are "two rich white guys". Yeah, like Cheney and Bush aren't white....and rich.




Edited 7/8/2004 2:50 pm ET ET by suemox

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 3:19pm

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Hehehe... but Republicans are supposed to be rich, white guys (according to the stereotype), Democrats are supposed to be "just your average, working middle-class citizen

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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Registered: 03-31-2003
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 3:53pm
Really...John Kerry " killed people in their own villages during Vietnam"? Do you mean civilians? The only people I've read about Kerry killing were ones who were shooting at him. The "thumbs up" soldiers at Abu Graib were not committing these crimes in self defense. In fact, they were pretty much in complete control, and pretty jolly looking if you ask me.

A better comparison would be to compare Kerry to Spc. Joe Darby, who came forward with pictures of the abuses at Abu Graib. Both Kerry and Darby were complicit in breaches of the Geneva conventions just by being in the armed forces, following orders. But they were both brave and moral enough to understand when to stand up and say "hey this isn't right." And they both took heat from their fellow soldiers for doing so. Would I consider someday voting for Joe Darby? Sure. He sounds like a man of action who knows right from wrong. Not a bad place to start a political career.

U.S. Soldiers reported abuse

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/local/story.asp?ID=10389

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 3:56pm
Many do so, I don't believe conservatives or liberals have a lock on doing so. I doubt we will agree with a candidate on every issue. I've disagreement with Kerry over same sex marriage and over our approach to Israeli-Palestinian issues. And though he is for choice, he personally is opposed to abortion, another issue we disagree on.

NOW supported Clinton, though you have to think privately NOW leadership were wincing... because strategically it was better to support him than the alternative. We will see a lot of contradictions by both Bush and Kerry supporters, because they support candidates who do not perfectly match their views.

This is also a reason why McCain held so much appeal as vp... it helped to bridge differences at a time this country badly needs to be brought back together.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 4:25pm
From where I stand, it sounds like your post should be titled "Double Standards of ONE Liberal".>>

Well from where I stand it was a random person holding up a sign who supports Kerry...it goes to show that it is quite possible that you can pick another random Kerry supporter and you'd actually find that they don't even know why they like the man other than the fact that he fought is the Vietnam war and his name isn't George W. Bush. Even on here many prove my point correct in the lack of knowledge or know how or know why that they support him. This is my point. They are so unaware they even contradict themselves without even knowing it.


I hadn't heard about what Kerry said about his experiences in the war and "atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in" while in Vietnam though I have read many accounts by soldiers in war time wracked with guilt of the things they did in the name of war. I did hear something about a rescue that Kerry participated in or something butthat's the only thing I'd read.>>

Oh I haven't read it either but I have heard him say it in an interview on the radio.

Was the point of this post trying to make some sort of broad conclusion about liberals in general based upon this one man's loss of words after being put on the spot with new information he didn't know about? >>

It may be one man I am giving the example about but many have his same mentality and will vote with the lack of knowledge just like this man was going to...scary...very scary.



I find double standards everywhere. Now that Kerry has chosen his running mate I'm amused (in a sad sor of way) about how the Republicans are all coming out and being critical that these are "two rich white guys". Yeah, like Cheney and Bush aren't white....and rich. >>

When and who has downed Kerry or Edwards for being white let alone rich? That seems to obvious of a scenario of "sticking your foot in your mouth". I don't believe that was said for obvious humiliation reasons. That's like me putting down a blonde for being blonde and I am blonde. Nah, doubt it.

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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 4:27pm
Thanks Miffy for posting that. I appreciate it...he even goes as far as to say he went against the Geneva Conventions many times. Wow, and that is a FACT.
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Registered: 06-29-2004
Thu, 07-08-2004 - 4:28pm
Really? Read Miffy's post will ya?
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 4:33pm
no problem.

Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board

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