Double Standards of some Liberals

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Double Standards of some Liberals
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm
I thought this was interesting while driving home from work I heard this whole thing. Tell me what you think.



I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.

The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.

Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 12:53am
Well it looks you spoke to soon...read my responses I have just posted and you will see that I am not here to just "put down people or call them ignorant"...I have had some people actually identify the resoning for voting for Kerry and I am satisfied with that...too bad you spoke to soon and must have missed my point on this topic completely...you are seeing me from a such a negative light and accusing me of such negative things but that has to make me think...what is it that makes you so "defensive" of my posts? do you fear I may be calling it like it is and well...the truth hurts? Or do you just not want to understand where I am coming from but yet demand I do so of others including you? Double standards seem to be a main point in my discussion...thanks for proving my point right by adding your own example to that.


As for your question about Bush? I will dedicate a whole topic to asking just that and with my own response...it will have to wait until tomorrow though for I am getting quite tired and have to wake up early tomorow. Until then, goodnight and don't let the Kerry bugs bite ;)

iVillage Member
Registered: 05-12-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:55am
Funny how you got my point but so easily missed it's aim.

"do you just not want to understand where I am coming from but yet demand I do so of others including you?"

You come off that way to me, and that was exactly my point. You constantly mention nobody being able to give you any reasons to vote for Kerry and I will kindly refer you to post 3180.55 in "which way to vote" where I gave you some of my reasons (though I did go into detail) yet you do not reply to that with any challenge, you don't want to challenge any of those, and if you really want to talk politics, and find out, perhaps even strengthen your own beliefs then why do you not ask about that instead of just asking over and over "WHY KERRY WHY KERRY GIVE ME A REASON" seems that would get kind of old.

So, challenge his credentials, challenge his foriegn policy, challenge something other than just my ability to give you reasons. anyone can give you reasons, and I already have. You show no desire to address that, just to tell me what sucks about me.

so when you feel like having a discussion about politics then post to me again, but for now I am tired of this rhetoric that we are BOTH getting into. If you see this as your personal victory, then you need it more than I do.

If you really want to discuss the issues, then let's do it.



iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 9:50am
First of all, I never passed judgement on those soldiers who did the abuse in Iraq. It was YOU and many others who kept stating that these were 'isolated' incidents and were not orders from higher up! The trials have not yet been completed, so we don't know what the final outcome is. WHat happened in Vietnam that was discussed by Kerry was established to be orders, and proven to be so.

And yes, as a Christian, I do believe in redemption. Don't you? If Kerry was feeling remorse, tried to fix the situation, and was following orders when those things were done, then to me, it shows courage and morality.

If those same soldiers who did the abuse in Iraq are also found to be following orders, and later do something to fight abuse, and years later run for president, I would feel the same way. No double standards here!

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 9:52am
That's not what I had seen in some statistical analysis report. I'll try to locate it. Women are also more likely to be democract than republican. There were a number of other differences, like age and race...
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 9:55am
Sorry but I miss your point. What lie are you talking about? Was it not a fact that what was done in Vietnam as ordered?
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:02am
Did you read the context for the interview with Kerry?

It was all the republicans on this site who were CLAIMING that the abuse in Iraq was NOT coming from above. I clearly stated that right now, that's the CLAIM. What happened in Vietnam was ESTABLISHED to be systemic and coming from the high ranks.

This being said, I agree with you that the soldiers hopefully will also have remorse and regret, even IF it was ordered from above. Never said anything otherwise!

This is all about double standards, and started about ONE PERSON who supposedly without the proper context of Kerry's past actions (which were clearly orders) did not have the 'same reaction' to it than to the abuse in Iraq. Talk about a silly argument. One liberal having perceived double standards upon reacting to some new information without proper context makes liberals have double standards??????

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-31-2003
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:03am
You don't seem to get it. We can't even get to your over simplified "point" if you keep repeating things that just plain aren't true, in support of your "point."



iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:04am
Us Quebecers are even happier and have even more (and better) sex!

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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-31-2003
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:12am
So you discount libraone's post because it was comprised of pro-Kerry links instead of written in her own voice?

Anyway, I'll conceed your point that many people planning to vote for Kerry are doing so because they simply can't stand to let Bush have a second term. Does this reflect more poorly on Kerry, or on Bush? The latter, I would say.

And as I said during the primaries, it's not really "anybody" but Bush. It's any of these 5 or 6 fully qualified, experienced candidates, one of which was a Republican until last year! It's not like in the CA Republican led recall, where porn stars were running for office. And now that it's Kerry or Bush, the choice is clear. Let's start fresh.

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:17am
In a healthy debate, people don't discredit everything or ignore what they can't discredit. I must agree with Sue that you do have a *tendency* to discredit everything, even when it can't be discredited! And you DO continually ask for sources very frequently when statements made or facts presented aren't to your liking, and yet when they are presented and they are solid, still nothing! But yet you rarely provide solid references and sources yourself.

Sorry but that's how I see it. I don't have the same feeling from everyone on this board who actually shares your views. And I'm sure there's people with the opposite views who have the same 'style' as you do..

It's not about winning, it's about learning.


Edited 7/12/2004 10:33 am ET ET by nicecanadianlady

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