Double Standards of some Liberals

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Double Standards of some Liberals
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm
I thought this was interesting while driving home from work I heard this whole thing. Tell me what you think.



I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.

The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.

Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 12:48pm
Please tell me when I have just thrown out some accusations but not supported it? Or maybe I have demanded links to denying issues but have not done so myself? I am waiting....
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 12:52pm
Have you yet heard anyone on this board state "I am voting for Bush, because well...he isn't Kerry"???

I rest my case.

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:14pm
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When have I said it is "unpatriottic" to not support Bush? And you say even countless arguements? I am sorry but you are not correct in that accusation...I don't think it is unpatriotic to stand up for what you believe and make an arguement against the President or anyone for that matter...I think personally insulting the President as your only support for disliking him is well...immature...but other than that I fully support standing up for what you believe and questioning the government...I do so myself. Also for every link or article posted to discredit the current administration there is always another stating something different and pointing out the "spin" that article may have put on it to shed some extra negative light on Bush and Co. It goes both ways, but it surely doesn't mean it gets "dismissed" for I feel any good news or refute to the latter gets "dismissed" by the left too. If I believed everything the liberal spinned media tried feeding me, I would be blind...but I don't.

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There was plenty of information stating otherwise but some on the left refuse to acknoledge that, that information was what Kerry and Clinton and many many others had to go on which concluded their decision in Iraq's WMD program and threat but later retracted and pointed the finger at Bush...it seems to be the trend to point the finger at solely him when indeed many others who are doing the "finger pointing" felt the same way as the President until some things went sour in regards to the war. That is typical I guess but it does make me and some others become defensive over that.

Regardless of the WMD mishaps I feel and I am sure many others feel (at least the one's I know) that it was still needed to go to war with Saddam and Iraq. I think only time will tell ulimately if the war was a mistake or if it was something that would secure the country and world for years to come. We'll see.


iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:14pm
Then who are you directing it to? That one man you heard on the radio? I don't think he's on this board... Weren't you inviting everyone to comment of what you had heard?

I really don't get your answer on this. Sorry.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:17pm
I don't think you read my post. Kerry is NOT the incumbent, so what does that have to do with anything?
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Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:22pm
Do you believe in voting for Kerry but not voting for the soldiers accused of going against the Geneva Convention if they apologized and felt extremely sorry what they did if they ran for Presidency in the future? You said you would vote for either right? Then this doesn't apply to you for you are not setting a double standard here. Lord it isn't that hard to understand.
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:31pm
I totally see what you are saying but what if elected he becomes the "incumbent"...too many know too little to even see that as a possibility.
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:34pm
So only people who ALSO WOULD HAVE THE SAME DOUBLE STANDARDS as that man you heard should have responded to this thread?? Well, my apologies for wasting everyone's time. I had not understood this requirement...

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Edited 7/12/2004 1:43 pm ET ET by nicecanadianlady

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-04-2003
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:40pm
This is why there are those people who are so vehemently opposed to war. Particularly, one should listen to the vetrans.

You must remember that often these kids that are fighting in the wars are so painfully young. Their judgement is not mature enough. Often their fledgling sense of morality is not established and they are put into situations and circumstances of fear and deprivation where ANYONE'S judgement would be seriously impaired.

Sometimes the anti-war argument is lost on those that don't seem to understand the whole point. War is not about heroism, parades and duty (rah rah rah). It's not just about what war forces you to do to others. It is about what it does to you.

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Registered: 06-16-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 1:42pm
I am not saying that it's a good thing mind you. I'm just saying that it's just part of human behaviour. If you have two choices, you tried one and you hated it, then the next time around, you're going to try the other choice. I think of course that second choice should be researched.

Personally I think few people just vote for anyone without at least getting some basic information about who they vote, and what they stand for. But then again, I live in Canada, so maybe americans are different.

I still think that two choices is not enough for true democracy. We have that problem here too, although to a lesser extent, as parties have been created and changed over the years, and we have this concept of a 'minority government' where power is somewhat shared. Furthermore, there has been more variety of parties in power at the provincial level. Again, my *personal* opinion, is that countries need at least three parties with a 'possibility' of getting power.

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