Double Standards of some Liberals

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Double Standards of some Liberals
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm
I thought this was interesting while driving home from work I heard this whole thing. Tell me what you think.



I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.

The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.

Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 6:41pm
It's funny you use one thing I have said that has a typo in it to give your excuse for why you couldn't possibly agree with me...nice try.

I made a typo but what I was saying is you think it sounds worse for Bush in there are Kerry supporters who are going to vote for Kerry just "because" he isn't Bush right? What I was trying to say is how does that look better for Kerry than Bush? IT just shows that some will believe all the liberal spin in regards to the negativity of Bush and will vote accordingly...that is just ignorant voting...that looks bad on Kerry not Bush...it means they don't even know why they want to vote for you Kerry except for the fact that you are not Bush...well it looks like the majority of his fan base is ignorant and easily convinced.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 8:49pm
Do you think anyone would disagree?

Renee ~~~

Renee ~~~

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 9:38pm
"Anyway, I'll conceed your point that many people planning to vote for Kerry are doing so because they simply can't stand to let Bush have a second term. Does this reflect more poorly on Kerry, or on Bush? The latter, I would say."

Anytime the race includes an incumbant it's always more of a referendum on them and the job he's done so far.

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 9:48pm
"What if you are at a restaurant, and they offer two meals: liver and brocoli, which you can't stand (it would make you gag!), and some other meal you don't know well. WHich would you choose?"

Hey now!! Please don't compare Bush to Liver! I actually like liver (only if it comes from Luby's though :D ) LOL

Seriously I know what you mean. We *know* what we got with Bush.Now we want something different.

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Registered: 05-11-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:15pm
"I totally see what you are saying but what if elected he becomes the "incumbent"...too many know too little to even see that as a possibility."

And then when Kerry comes up for re-election it will be his turn to be judged as the incumbant. That's the way of the world. Just as some people voted for Reagan because he wasn't Carter and some people voted for Bush because he wasn't Gore. It's just the way politics go. People have a longer length of time to get to know and be affected by the incombant, so they typically have pretty strong opinions about them.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:35pm
Obviously, you’ve never eaten at Casa Bonita!!
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Registered: 05-03-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 10:42pm
"The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have."

I don't believe this falls under the category of double standard. It would be similar to asking a conservative if they would vote for a man who drank too much, had failed in business, and chosen as his wife a woman who had killed someone with her vehicle.

As people are able to look past the problems GWB had as a young man (& Laura as a young woman), they are able to see that the John Kerry of today is a different man than he was in his early 20s.

IMO the fact that John Kerry addressed the things he felt were wrong with the war in Vietnam says a great deal about his character. He has done a lot of soul-searching. He came out of Vietnam a stronger man who understands himself and understands the wrongs that can be committed in the name of patriotism. His character has been shaped by his experiences and shaped in a good way.

In contrast, just today GWB again said we were right to invade Iraq. He still says this despite all the evidence to the contrary, he is a man unable to admit his mistakes and therefore unable to learn from them. If GWB had had the same war experiences as John Kerry (fat chance) he would have come out bragging to the world that "We really smoked 'em!" He would have accepted the medals with his buttons popping and never questioned a thing.

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Mon, 07-12-2004 - 11:32pm
Kerry being sorry for what happened is irrelevant...now your gloating of him might make me nauseus, at least I can respect your opinion...but it doesn't take away from the point I made earlier...some people didn't even know he committed these atrocities because most likely they didn't care and had developed their opinion of him without caring to research or know anything about him except the obvious...then however some like the man I mentioned contradicted himself by saying he'd vote for Kerry but wouldn't vote for the current soldiers in Iraq...My guess is that he is bias in that he already dislike Bush and doesn't care to know much else about Kerry, which most people seem not to either, and yet while condemning these soldiers while saying he'd never vote for these current soldiers for any future presidency but would undoubtedly vote for Kerry even though he committed far worse atrocitites, is a contradicton and double standard...it is quite irrelevant as to how someone feels today about their past because the man never even considered how sorry the current soliers may become after allowing what has happened to sink in...he just wouldn't vote for them based on their acts as soldiers. Double standard!
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Tue, 07-13-2004 - 12:36am
“So should these soldiers have more training or more requirements to enter the military because sometime war will happen and that is just how it is. What to do so this kind of lack of mental preperation?”

ITA. IMO, it is irresponsible of our government to actively recruit high school students. No one should be allowed to sign up until at least 18 (preferably 20), not the current 16 that it is now with delayed entry. Especially considering the practices used. Recruiters are at the same level as used car salesmen IMO. Teenagers are ill equipped to negotiate on an even level with them.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 07-13-2004 - 4:55am

<<"So you discount libraone's post because it was comprised of pro-Kerry links instead of written in her own voice? ">>.....I just went back to that thread only to see that my 'thankyou-post' apparently

Djie

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