Double Standards of some Liberals
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| Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm |
I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.
The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.
Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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Are you defending MCVeigh? Is he a good guy now? Are we going to compare 'evileness' by the number of people killed now? McVeigh was rather young when he was caught, and later killed. At the age he died, he probably had actually killed more people than Saddam at the same age! He just didn't get the chance to continue. Wish that had been the case for Saddam, and instead of giving weapons and money to kill iranians and Kurds, we would have put sanctions on him then and there!
Both are despicable human beings, and nothing you can say will make me think otherwise.
"I made a typo but what I was saying is you think it sounds worse for Bush in there are Kerry supporters who are going to vote for Kerry just "because" he isn't Bush right? What I was trying to say is how does that look better for Kerry than Bush? IT just shows that some will believe all the liberal spin in regards to the negativity of Bush and will vote accordingly...that is just ignorant voting...that looks bad on Kerry not Bush...it means they don't even know why they want to vote for you Kerry except for the fact that you are not Bush...well it looks like the majority of his fan base is ignorant and easily convinced."
""Yes, he did, but we did not go to 'war' with everyone who supported him, and kill thousands of civilians "collateral damage" in the process.. We did not start to make generalized statements about white extreme right veterans, or assume his whole family and everyone who had any 'link' to him was also a terrorist, and as far as I know, he wasn't tortured while in prison."
It looks to me here you are exploiting what happened in regards to the Iraqi war, am I wrong?
I'm EXPLOITING the Iraqi war?????? Please point out any incorrect FACTS about my statement and how I'm exploiting the Iraqi war. Was McVeigh NOT a terrorist, or are you one of those who believes that Bin Laden did that one too, and yet did not claim reponsibility for it. (but then, what would be the point of the act?)
::grabs some advil::
Well this is obviously where we most certainly disagree.
Well, Duh!
I am not justifying anyone's actions here...but from what I got from you, you were making it seem she isn't sorry and that is indeed speaking for how she feels. The bottom line is you nor I know "how she feels" or if "she is sorry".
When people are genuinely sorry, they apologize, regardless of how they might look or how they feel.
Well here we are at thread number 183. It's almost like the other 181 (not counting the original post) ever even happened.
I thought I had washed my hands of this thread a little earlier on but I really couldn't let this post pass by. I have just a few more questions for you in order to make sure I fully understand your stance.
1. How does the way an individual votes reflect on Kerry himself? (I can see how NOT wanting to vote for Bush because of what he has done might reflect on Bush.....but not the other way around).
2. How have you come to the conclusion that the MAJORITY of Kerry's fan base is ignorant and easily convinced? Frankly that's an over generalization that you don't seem to realize just how insulting it is (unless your aim was to be insulting in the first place which is certainly how it appears). This is what got me posting to you in the first place (sorry for "singling" you out)
3. You haven't yet admitted that there are any ignorant people out there that will be voting Republican. Does this mean that you feel that all the ignorant people in America are Liberal/Democrats and there are practically NO ignorant Republicans?
4. A number of people have since come out and explained why they might be inclined to vote for Kerry (which you said was what you wanted to know). I think the best and most eloquent one so far has been Metrochick's. I was wondering if you wanted to comment on it.
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I should hope not.
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I thought I had washed my hands of this thread a little earlier on but I really couldn't let this post pass by. I have just a few more questions for you in order to make sure I fully understand your stance.
1. How does the way an individual votes reflect on Kerry himself? (I can see how NOT wanting to vote for Bush because of what he has done might reflect on Bush.....but not the other way around). >>
Many of his voters...and from the polls and my own personal experience has shown me, don't care to find out about him...they just simply want Bush out and that of course reflects badly on Bush...but Kerry as well...you may look at it as Bush is that bad that someone would vote so blindly and vote for Kerry just to get him out...well I look at it as they don't even give much thought to what Kerry is all about on his stance on things, not to mention even finding out if they agree with him or not, they still want Bush out...that might just go to show the narrow minded and ignorant mentality that could also be causing them to feel the way they do about Bush...maybe they are ignorant in regards to Bush as well and now we have as blind as a vote as one can. Bottom line is it seems that they don't even like Kerry either but will vote because he is the lesser of the two evils...that may be all good and dandy for Kerry at voting time, but it doesn't mean that it reflects him in a good light by any means, quite the contrary.
2. How have you come to the conclusion that the MAJORITY of Kerry's fan base is ignorant and easily convinced? Frankly that's an over generalization that you don't seem to realize just how insulting it is (unless your aim was to be insulting in the first place which is certainly how it appears). This is what got me posting to you in the first place (sorry for "singling" you out) >>
I am going on those who "I" have come in contact with...I can't speak for those who I have not heard or seen or talked to but I am not a fool to think that the only one's who seem to be "blind voting" are just those I have come in contact with or heard...I am not also a fool to think there are no such things as "Republican blind voters"...but we are talking about in this case...in the majority of people that have expressed their views and reasonings on here, on the radio, on the television etc...it is the Kerry voters/libs/Dems that are voting to vote someone else out...and basing it only on the name of the candidate...nothing else. This board shows the both of us as proof to my accusations...maybe it is a bit generalizing for I can't speak for everyone, but for the most part can you argue that there are way too many people voting for Kerry simply because he isn't Bush and that's it? Can you deny the overwhelming amount of people on here alone expressing that?
3. You haven't yet admitted that there are any ignorant people out there that will be voting Republican. Does this mean that you feel that all the ignorant people in America are Liberal/Democrats and there are practically NO ignorant Republicans?>>
I have yet to hear anyone voting for Bush simply because he isn't Kerry and also it is hard to miss what Bush is about and where he stands on issues...we have had 4 years to "educate" ourselves about him and for those like myself and the "majority" of Republicans that will vote for him...know why we want to vote for him and why we don't want to vote for Kerry. It is hard to call a Bush supporter blind when he is in our faces everyday. If you wanted to discuss the few republican "blind voters" then be my guest and give me some examples with some of which I can see and confirm myself (perhaps the Republicans on this board). I am discussing the majority of those who are voting for Kerry in which most are liberals,especially many on these boards..and their voting tactic..."vote for Kerry, cuz he ain't Bush"....
4. A number of people have since come out and explained why they might be inclined to vote for Kerry (which you said was what you wanted to know). I think the best and most eloquent one so far has been Metrochick's. I was wondering if you wanted to comment on it.
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I respect metrochick's opinion and reasonings for wanting to vote for Kerry for I would expect the same from others to respect my reasonings for wanting to vote for Bush...you see I am not here to judge someone's opinion's...if they have educated themselves and feel inside that their better choice would have to be Kerry then that's fine with me...I am not here to change opinions...my goal was exploiting the majority of the supporters for Kerry who have the blind mentality that it is ok to vote for him just because he isn't Bush...that's not cool with me and so I am choosing to discuss it...I have since seen some reasonings from some as to why they want Kerry and not Bush, so I could only hope discussing this made some people (hopefully) bring more attention to it and maybe educate themselves about who they are going to vote to be the leader of our country. Maybe it's just a coincidence that now some have decided to speak up about why they are voting they way they are...who knows...but perhaps that's one of my intentions on bringing this up in the first place. I may even start a web site trying to get people to educate themselves about both parties but I feel it is the Kerry supporters who are voting more blindly then anyone else.
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and yet you flippantly report to us that the majority of Kerry voters "have the blind mentality that it is ok to vote for him just because he isn't Bush"
Sounds judgemental to me - how do you know that this is so? For all you know they've studied Bush and Kerry and find Bush is the lesser qualified of the two. How arrogant to assume you know why anyone is voting for Kerry, or not voting for Bush
I live in a very Republican area and the people I know who are voting for Kerry didn't really want to vote for a Democrat, but after "educating themselves" they decided it was the only possible option available to them. I don't think people are blindly following Kerry at all. If Bush weren't such a total bust it would have been so much simpler to reelect him. The fact is many people who would rather leave the governing to the politicians realize they made a mistake when they voted for this particular politician and realize the only way our country can retain a shred of the respect it's lost is to get rid of this unqualified, self-serving, self-righteous....person.
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