Double Standards of some Liberals
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| Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm |
I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.
The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.
Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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Which polls? I really AM interested to know. I still don't see how this in any way reflects on Kerry. It reflects on some of his supporters, but not on him.
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Then perhaps you should have taken more care in the wording of many of your posts and said this instead: "the majority of people I have spoken to who will vote for Kerry are ignorant and easily convinced"
If we were all to use our personal experience as a way to judge huge groups of people I could then make a blanket statement about Dems and Reps based on my own. Remember, I don't think this way but this is what my personal experience has shown me:
All the most highly educated people I know are Democrats/Liberals (finished graduate school, are doctors, professors, lawyers, authors of books)....many also happen to know a lot about Kerry and the other Democratic candidates, even before they ran for the deomcratic leadership. All the people I know who are conservative/Republican happen to be rednecks and farmers and blue collar workers with big sattelite dishes and loud obnoxious high-level salesmen.
Therefore if I wanted to be insulting, I could come out and say that the majority of conservatives are stupid and practically illiterate, fundamentalist christian bible thumpers and spend all their time watching TV. I could then also say (based on my personal experience only mind you) that the rest of the Conservative/Republicans are big business fat cats who are concerned more about their own pocket books than anyone else. I realize things are much more complicated than that and have a lot to do with many factors like demographics, where they are from etc....therefore I would NEVER make that kind of overall blanket statement.
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Actually no. That hasn't shown me the same thing that it has shown you at all. I find a great many here on the board to be thoughtful, articulate intelligent and well-informed. That includes many on the liberal side as well as a few others on the more conservative side - whrren, miffy and djjie to name a few.
Also, I think a great many people who will be voting for Kerry will undoubtedly be doing so because he is NOT Bush. Of course that is only ONE reason (and a good one at that if you don't agree with an incumbant's politics or the team that is behind him). People can have more than one reason for voting or not voting for someone you know.
You also can't tell me that in the last election a great many people who voted for Bush did so because they didn't want to vote for Gore since he had been too close to Clinton and his administration and the right absolutely HATED Clinton with as much passion that many now hate Bush. Therefore "blind" voting.
*Edited to add Miffy's name*
Edited 7/13/2004 8:52 pm ET ET by suemox
I encourage you to check out the stanford link, or to any other link about the study. It won't change your vote by any means, but it is a good study, and I can tell you are a person with a lot of passion for things, I am anxious to hear what you think. (Really, no sarcasm or anything. I promise)
have a good day. :)
<<I'll tell you what, when I say, (and I do say it a lot) that I am voting for Kerry because he is not Bush, it is not a statement about how little I know about Kerry, it is a statement on how unsuited and evil I think Bush is. and I truly believe that he is those things. >>
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I don't know why you would say that. Frankly, if you find it comforting to blame Michael Moore instead of this ghastly presidency, go right ahead. If you find it comforting to think that these people are all a bunch of sheep, incapable of thinking for themselves, go right ahead. Most people who had decided not to vote for Bush did so long before Moore's movie came out. In fact, a great many of these people probably have not seen the movie or read any of Moore's books (if they had, Moore would be doing even better financially than he is now). So fine, find a scapegoat if you want if it makes you feel any better.
I agree totally and would like to add that IMO if anyone fits the sheep analogy it's the radical conservative right-wingers. They refuse to look at the evidence proving Bush unfit to be president, they refuse to look right or left (especially left, that would be blasphemous) to find their OWN answers. I know people who voted for Bush and would be voting for him again if he had not gone over the edge of ineptness and self-serving action. These people do not blindly trust (although they would much have preferred that Bush act in a way that would have deserved their trust) They actually listened and learned and used their common sense.
Just as radical conservatives don't understand how anyone could possibly vote for Kerry, a lot of people don't understand how others can stay in the Stepford-Voter mode and blindly vote for Bush.
Doesn't the many people telling you otherwise make you wonder that perhaps your own personal experience may be limited and that the claims you are making about the majority of dems/Liberals being ignorant are untrue? Does this new knowledge not ADD something new to your experience?
Also, you referred to polls that backed up your own personal experiences. Please, if you can, show me these polls.
I would not want to base my judgement of all conservatives/republicans based soley on my own experience. I've already told you what my experience has been and I realize that in judging large groups of people MY own experience is inadequate to make these types of judgements.
I'm not arguing the fact that people who vote with no knowledge of the candidate they are voting for is ignorant. That is established. It's the way you carry this further and judge a whole group of people that I have an issue with.
Also, I was wondering what you thought about my suggestion in another post that many people who voted for Bush in the last election did so because he wasn't Gore (who's reputation was stained by being to close to Clinton's administration and the Republicans sure had an illogical hate-on for Clinton). I would also like to know if you do not think that not voting for the incumbant because you don't like his policies isn't at least ONE valid reason for voting for someone else (as I said, people have more than one reason for voting or not voting for someone).
Also, you also keep claiming that you aren't JUDGING anyone. Here's a hint.....stop calling them ignorant.
See, and I'm sure your judgement of radical conservative right wingers is based upon your personal experience which then in turn makes it just as valid as Britogals.
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< I think it is my right to question such ignorance and try and change it for the better>
Do you ever reread your posts before hitting the submit button?
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