Double Standards of some Liberals
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| Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm |
I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.
The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.
Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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I personally reserve judgement until all the facts are known. If the guards were ordered to do it, it changes the picture a bit. Kerry would have been but a part of it, not the lead player in any attack on a village... the man served on a boat, not infantry.
>>When have these soldiers been able to have the chance to say it was wrong?...looking back on it in retrospect like Kerry did, he admitted to it being wrong...during trial you are not allowed to speak publically or at least have restrictions on what you can or can not say...admitting it and saying sorry for it may be taken as them admitting to being guilty and fully responsible...lets give them some time before jumping the gun as if they have no intentions of being or saying sorry.<<
I agree, and reserve judgement. I don't see any reason to condemn Kerry or even mention him in comparison to these events. If it weren't for people like him willing to stand up and say this is wrong... how many more would have died? I applaud the soldiers in Iraq who called attention to the wrongs there... they are heroes in my book.
>>That's fine you can have an opinion and I have mine...it's a double standard missed by many who support Kerry and I feel it is the same thing but maybe even worse...just because you say sorry later doesn't mean it didn't happen.<<
Your point is unproven and lacks relevance.
Does that matter? WE are not talking about me, we are talking about Kerry...am I not to comment on things that I was not alive to witness? What's history for then?
Have you done any reading on it?>>
Again I don't see the relevance about me...I am simply pointing out the similiarities in Kerry in Vietnam and the current situation not to mention the point about those so ready to vote for Kerry are not even aware of things that might get them second thinking about their vote or maybe prevent them from contradicting themselves. Come to think about it not many people who are votiong for Kerry know actually why they are doing so except for the fact that his name is different from our current one...what a blind vote...but that is a whole other topic in itself.
I was against the Vietnam war at that time, as were an increasing number of Americans, by then we were the majority. LBJ *a Democrat was reviled and chose not to run in 1968. It didn't take Nixon long to pick up where LBJ left off, except he was also paranoid.>>
Ok...and that means what?
My previous post was saying that there is a clear distinction between Kerry in Vietnam and events at the prison in Iraq. No comparison.>>
Well, I think there is a huge comparison...IMO it makes Kerry look worse than those who committed "supposed" war crimes in Iraq.
Your point is unproven and lacks relevance>>>>
How exactly? I know many Kerry supporters who don't know why they support him other than he isn't Bush...that is very "relevant" and it doesn't lack anything. I am going on the people I talk to everyday in my life, here on the boards, on talk shows or radio shows...so please tell me how my point is unproven or lacking in relevance? Thanks
I would assume one has lived through something, read of something, or both if they use it for comparative purposes. You are referring to Kerry's actions in Vietnam, and since you feel the person was a hypocrite, wonder what your background was on that time.
>>Again I don't see the relevance about me...I am simply pointing out the similiarities in Kerry in Vietnam and the current situation...<<
why I asked the question.
>>Ok...and that means what?<<
It means I've lived through that time. And if you wish to read about it, read Stanley Karnow's Vietnam. It is a very interesting read.
>>Well, I think there is a huge comparison...IMO it makes Kerry look worse than those who committed "supposed" war crimes in Iraq.<<
I don't like war, but recognise occasionally we have to. I'm no apologist for Kerry, and where I disagree with him will say so. He wasn't my first choice to run this fall. I don't hate George Bush. He is an American, and as far as I can tell, a decent person. I just disagree with his method of governance and policy.
This is the most vicious campaign of my lifetime, and it is sad to see what we have been reduced to. Who will better serve this country going forward? That is the question each of us must answer for ourselves, and vote accordingly.
And the same can be said for many Bush supporters. It doesn't matter what anyone said in this thread Britogal, you'd already made up your mind.
What Kerry is talking about in that quote, delivered to Congress after he returned from the war, is the modus operandi which the armed forces and the administration approved as acceptible to use in combat in the very dangerous situation our soldiers faced in Vietnam. He includes himself as operating under those instructions, and carrying out those orders, since he was a soldier in Vietnam.
Do you care to comment on anything else in my post, or just my reading habits?
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