Double Standards of some Liberals

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Registered: 06-29-2004
Double Standards of some Liberals
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Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm
I thought this was interesting while driving home from work I heard this whole thing. Tell me what you think.



I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.

The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.

Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-29-2004
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 3:31pm
Well said, thanks for applying your brilliance to the support of my topic.
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Registered: 06-29-2004
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 3:38pm
I have not seen any interview with her but I will take your word for it. How do you know what she can or cannot say? How do you know she isn't just trying to escape jail time and charges for now but will say she is sorry in the future? Is there a time limit on apologies? It took two years for Kerry to say sorry. Is that something that can be taken into consideration here?
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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 3:41pm
OH, I had a really

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Registered: 04-08-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 4:06pm

How do you know what she can or cannot say?


I don't think anyone's got a gun to her head and a gag in her mouth. (No pun intended) And I know she's not sitting in jail while she's awaiting trial.


How do you know she isn't just trying to escape jail time and charges for now but will say she is sorry in the future?


There is something to be said for her character if this is indeed what she is trying to do.


Is there a time limit on apologies? It took two years for Kerry to say sorry. Is that something that can be taken into consideration here?


No, there is no time limit on apologies but, I do not get the impression that she feels she has anything to apologize for.

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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 4:16pm
LOL...if I ever type a long and well thought out masterpiece of a post...I always right click and copy it on my mouse just in case. ;)
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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 4:26pm
Your "feeling" about how someone "feels" doesn't hold much water especially when you are judging her absent apologies as a character flaw. The bottom line is you don't know how she feels right now...this can all be so terrifying and confusing and facing jail time might keep your mouth sealed in regards to the fear of that happening. Are you trying to tell me if you were apologetic inside about what occured but didn't feel like or maybe wasn't able to (lawyers advice) under certain circumstances express it at this time so you could have a better chance of not facing such horrible penalties, you wouldn't? It took Kerry two years to say sorry, even though I know you didn't bring him up...I am. Do you think he is not really sorry for what he did because it took so long to say it? What about the fact that maybe she doesn't know if she is sorry yet out of confusion and fear and later she will identify this within herself at her own time to come to terms with this. I know that I have done and said certain things but then regretted once everything calmed down and didn't admit to regrets or make any apologies until I had internally coped with the situation. I think you are asking for her to not feel human. It's natural to be confused right now and just because she didn't express it during those interviews you watched or when you wanted her to doesn't mean she isn't sorry or perhaps won't be moreso in the future. It doesn't say anything about her character, it speaks volumes however about how human she really is.
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Registered: 04-04-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 4:42pm
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What I actually said was this:

"That is a crime punnishable in some cases by death or imprisonment."

Sorry for not actually typing out the word PENALTY but OK.

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Registered: 04-04-2003
Fri, 07-09-2004 - 4:46pm
Sigh....

There's very little people can do NOW about past administrations' orders and policies during Vietnam. These things are taking place NOW under the current administration. It only seems logic and timely to tar and feather those giving the orders (or at least place them under very close scrutiny and questioning) while these things are currently taking place.

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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 5:04pm
I really can't begin to address everything you raised or I don't have the energy to. In the past I have carefuly addressed many of the things you raise in many of your posts, complete with links and well thought out arguments. It really doesn't do any good or get any type of acknowledgement from you. Never ONCE have you conceded ONE thing that I have said as maybe containing even the tiniest kernal of truth and frankly I'm plum worn out.

It's great to be able and call one's self informed when they discount half of the information that's available (or REFUSE to read it) because it doesn't conveniently fit their pre-concieved notion and then use an arguement like "well most of the liberals I know are like this". But then DEMANDING proof everytime someone else makes a statement based on their personal experiences. It's like YOUR personal experiences are SO much better and more accurate than someone else's.

But anyway....let's just agree to disagree about that.

I will agree with you in one thing though. You and I BOTH feel that to vote without taking the time to find out about the candidates is irresponsible. I think it is a shame.

The only difference between you and I is that I acknowledge that this is pretty much an issue that transcends party lines and that both sides are equally guilty of it.

EVERYONE should find out about the candidate they plan to vote for.

This means more than just swallowing the drivel that that candidate and thier supporters happen to produce in its favour (because they LIKE what it says....because it supports their POV) and investigating other sources from the other side to see if it is indeed true.


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Fri, 07-09-2004 - 5:16pm
I agree...

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