Double Standards of some Liberals
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| Thu, 07-08-2004 - 1:39pm |
I was listening to the radio the other day and two men were debating in regards to Kerry. The liberal man was holding a sign that read "Kerry-a war hero"...When asked why he believed Kerry to be a war hero he explained his courage in fighting in Vietnam and that alone should qualify him as being a "war hero"...then the conservative asked him if he was going to vote for Kerry and the liberal man said "Definately!" The liberal man brought up the prisoner abuse in Iraq and how those men and women who performed those war crimes by putting underwear over these prisoners head and humiliating them were a disgrace to the country. He was then asked by the other man if he'd ever vote for any of these men or women that performed such acts down the road for President? The liberal man said "heck no". The other man went on to play a tape where Kerry himself in an interview spoke of the atrocities he and fellow militarymen participated in such as burning down Vietnam villages and other activities that were war crimes while in Vietnam. Kerry with his own words and voice admitted such things happened and do happen in a time of war no doubt about it. ( you could hear the audio tape of his interview) The man then asked the sign holding, Kerry supporting, liberal man how he could vote for someone who actually burned down and killed people in their own villages during Vietnam for President but would never consider voting for those who commited war crimes such as humliation in Iraq in the future as President? Does that make Kerry a war hero he asked? The liberal man was at a loss for words. He contradicted himself...he judged these soldiers in Iraq as a "disgrace to their country" but would vote for Kerry for President of the United States of America.
The reason for posting this story was to give a little insight on the double standards some liberals hold for their own and the mind-set the have.
Sorry so long but it's worth the read :)

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Can you really sit there and continue to assume or predict how someone has felt or is feeling? Do you know right now how these people feel looking at it in retrospect? I don't think it right to speak for another human being's feelings. Think about it...there has been so much going on in these people's lives...trial, lawyers, war, prisoners, media, bashing...how can anyone even remotely begin to tell us how these soldiers feel about it all. We don't even know what crossed their minds or how they felt at that time either...
It fully and frighteningly will explain what the dynamics are in a false authority or sudden authority situation. It is really a fascinating study on human nature, and will explain to you or anyone exactly why people act the way they do.
When I heard the news of the Iraqi prosoners abuse, I immediately thought of the Stanford Prison Experiment because the situations are quite similar. A few moments difference and it could have been our soldiers acting as the prisoners, and undergoing abuse like this. It did not shock me at all, but the study did when i first read it in general psychology. (nah, not psychobabble, as you may put it off as, but very insightful and a good solid study on human behavior.) It is one of my favorite studies, because of the conclusion, but there will never be another one like it because of the lives it harmed.
Ok well visit thei website, if you would, and then let me know what you think... I woule love to hear your thoughts.
http://www.prisonexp.org
"I am talking about those people who judge someone and condemn them and base their vote on such when in actuality their party is just as guilty for it too."
Hi, Pot, nice to meet you, my name's Kettle. OH, what's that you say? I'm what???
why do you think it is that the thing we hate most about others is a trait we also have?
Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board
Miffy - Co-CL For The Politics Today Board
As I said, I'm sure that under different circumstances, discussing different things we'd probably find more common ground. On these debate boards however, we are often diametrically opposed (which makes for a rousing debate).
You don't have to tell me, but I'm curious as to where you live in the US (without getting too specific). I do know a LOT of Americans who don't quite see things the same way you do but many of them are from New York, some from Vermont and a few from HawaiiOh yeah....and from the Berkley area.
I can't vote but I can tell you briefly why I might vote for Kerry if I lived in the US. While I don't think that he was my favourite candidate, I did watch the Democratic debates and admired him fairly early on. Unlike some people who might find him dull and long-winded, I found him to be intelligent, interesting thoughtful and articulate. I think he would be a good person to bring opposing factions to the table and negotiate solutions (I'm talking about the international community). As for the divisiveness within the political machinery in America? I don't hold out much hope for that. I think Jesus himself wouldn't have an easy time of bringing folks together.
I also find that it is a strong trait to be able to change one's views or conclusions as the information changes (and be able to explain why). He has given good explanations for some of his seemingly contradictory stances (which don't get shown when the Republicans are blasting him for his "flip flopping"). I think that for Kerry to come out and explain why he has changed his mind also takes a show of strenght because a large portion of the population seems to be comforted at Bush's unwavering stance and inability to take accountability for things as a sign of strength. I find this steadfastness (pigheadedness) to be his greatest flaw.
All presidents come with a team behind him. Bush's team has been the most influential than any other in history. Short of Colin Powell, the rest of the gang and their strong influence on Bush leaves me in a cold sweat. Kerry will bring with him a different team because as much as I dislike Bush, it's the people and the secret machinery behind him that I find the most dangerous. In fact, I find these people in the high reaches of power to be pulling Bush's strings much like a puppet master does. Without these people, Bush would be lost.
Here's an interesting read: http://www.aamovement.net/news/2004/backfromiraq1.htm
My observation (and *opinion*) is that even when people explain why they like Kerry you tend to be pretty dismissive. It feels as if you don't even listen. There have been several posts that I've started to answer and just thought, why bother? In all honesty, I don't believe anything that anyone said would make a difference. And I don't mean a difference in the sense of changing your mind but in the sense of saying "Oh I get where your coming from.I don't agree but I get it" I think that's all any person wants. jmo
"Ever ask youself why Clinton hasn't lashed out at Bush? He has said he doesn't fault the President for he was only doing what he felt was right and based his decision on the same intelligence he had"
Because past presidents are rarely critical of current administrations particularly their immediate successor. That's why it was such a big deal when Carter spoke out against Bush. Because it's a very rare occurance. And I'm sure in light of 9/11 Clinton has probably questioned whether he could have done things differently. He of all past presidents isnt going to be critical of Bush about terrorism.
"I have respect for Bush because he did what he felt was in the best interest of my country...I respect that...I also respect him knowing this war might jeapordize his next term and he did it anyways, non-selfishly is how I see it.It's not that I don't think he can do wrong...I love my father to death but he has some big flaws and little ones, but overall I see a decent human being who has determination, respect and strength...reminds me of my father"
I understand, where you're coming from :) We all have things about a candidate which we relate to or impact us on a personal leval. Mine are different then yours, but that's all good. One of the things that I really relate to and admire about Kerry is that he *personally* does not believe in abortion yet he supports Pro choice. It's a position I really relate to. I see it as placing the constitution above his personal religious dogma.It's a position I *really* admire. Knowing that we cannot force others to follow our personal beliefs speaks very highly of him imo.
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