Kerry's Lying

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Kerry's Lying
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Tue, 07-13-2004 - 9:29am

John Kerry:

"We've got more African Americans in jail than we do in college. That's unacceptable," he added.
In fact, it seems that there are more than twice as many African Americans in college than in jail.


U.S. Census Bureau (2000): African Americans in college: 2,224,181


U.S. DoJ Office of Justice Programs: "Prison and Jail Inmates at MidYear 2003" (p.11): "Table 13. Number of inmates in state or federal prisons or local jails" -- Black Americans in jail: 899,200.


Those nearly 900,000 incarcerated African Americans still represent a tragic waste of lives and potential. But fortunately, things are not nearly as gloomy as John Kerry wants to believe they are.


It's possible that Kerry is basing his claims on other data, but it would be interesting to learn what his sources are.


UPDATE: As a commenter notes below, this Kerry howler was already debunked a month ago. But then why is Kerry still making the same claim today? What kind of an echo chamber is his campaign that none of the staff read Kerry's sharpest critics? Not a good sign for those who look to Kerry to improve intelligence capabilities or cure government agencies of their dysfunctional groupthink culture.


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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 12:06pm



Personal attacks and insults are not tolerated on IVillage under the TOS.




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Edited 7/18/2004 1:54 pm ET ET by cl-wrhen

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 12:56pm
OK, I need to apologize for and explain my comments about posts. I didn't mean that everyone should sound eloquent and use the proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. in order to be valid. I also was not aware that a certain poster did not speak English as a first language and therefore should be cut some slack in their posts, and for that I am truly sorry. (However, there are a few for whom English is their first language that make no sense at all...lol)

All I was trying to say is that it would be wonderful if the posts are legible...period. That's why I suggested proofreading. I find myself often missing entire words that make my sentences nonsense, that's why I proof for clarity.

That being said, can I go hide under the table now?

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 2:21pm
I have been on these boards for 4 years, and never have I heard any complaints about my abilities to express myself in English.

Oh wait.....yes I have, and strangely enough those were without exception responses from posters that disagree with my POV (or believe they do), who then proceed to mirrow back what they assume

Djie

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 3:13pm
Yes ma'am I fully understand that, but you assume I dont??? I think when people start throwing around the TOS, they should also follow it. Anyway instead of trying to insult me, why dont you get to the MAJOR point of his post?
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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 4:43pm
Excuse me, but when I defended the person that make the comment to you, I did not realize that you were from another country, so I didn't know that it was a "personal" attack, and I think you need to cut ME some slack here.

The post that was being commented on was the first I've seen from you that made no sense (and frankly, I believe it had less to do with language than it did with proofreading), so there was no way I knew that. I can't speak for the person that "insulted" you, but saying something like that is often a way of saying "huh?" and not meant as a personal attack.

Language aside, I find your posts largely inflammatory and hateful, so my defense of the other poster was mostly because I thought you were on the attack for no reason (again). I was wrong, and SO WERE YOU. I'm just "woman" enough to admit it. My apology was sincere and I don't appreciate your attitude.

I'm not going to say anything about the irony of a non-American posting such strong opinions here, as others have attacked our Canadian friends. However, you do need to be less defensive and more open-minded when it comes to those that don't know your biography (or geography).

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 4:47pm

Sondra, this post, like my others,

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 5:25pm
Perhaps his remark that cost him his short lived career on ESPN???
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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 6:51pm

<<"Excuse me, but when I defended the person that make the comment to you, I did not realize that you were from another country, so I didn't know that it was a "personal" attack, and I think you need to cut ME some slack here.">>....<<"I was wrong, and SO WERE YOU. I'm just "woman" enough to admit it. My apology was sincere and I don't appreciate your attitude.">>.. where was I wrong? I'll sincerely apologize as soon as I see it. Yes you apology was sincere, but not directed at me. Yes of cóurse I'll accept it, since you now sort of direct your apology at me instead of to another poster.

Djie

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 7:29pm

Thanks Sondra :)


<<"I am firm in my belief of inner instincts, and mine told me this was not right.While I could see everything that Bush was saying and proving them with facts, something kept telling me it was wrong. But as the saying goes--Hindsight is 20/20.">>.....I too believe my inner instincts, and

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Sun, 07-18-2004 - 7:31pm

Speaking about

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