Kerry's Lying

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Kerry's Lying
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Tue, 07-13-2004 - 9:29am

John Kerry:

"We've got more African Americans in jail than we do in college. That's unacceptable," he added.
In fact, it seems that there are more than twice as many African Americans in college than in jail.


U.S. Census Bureau (2000): African Americans in college: 2,224,181


U.S. DoJ Office of Justice Programs: "Prison and Jail Inmates at MidYear 2003" (p.11): "Table 13. Number of inmates in state or federal prisons or local jails" -- Black Americans in jail: 899,200.


Those nearly 900,000 incarcerated African Americans still represent a tragic waste of lives and potential. But fortunately, things are not nearly as gloomy as John Kerry wants to believe they are.


It's possible that Kerry is basing his claims on other data, but it would be interesting to learn what his sources are.


UPDATE: As a commenter notes below, this Kerry howler was already debunked a month ago. But then why is Kerry still making the same claim today? What kind of an echo chamber is his campaign that none of the staff read Kerry's sharpest critics? Not a good sign for those who look to Kerry to improve intelligence capabilities or cure government agencies of their dysfunctional groupthink culture.


http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/archives/002309.html

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Registered: 08-22-2003
Mon, 07-19-2004 - 8:02pm
I said I was getting close to leaving...and after the complaint I got in my e-mail today, I think that is getting even closer!
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Registered: 05-12-2004
Wed, 07-21-2004 - 1:43am
ah, who cares? you stick to your opinions, you voice them, sometimes this is the only venue in which to do so. I think usually people are getting all worked up because they like to be offended. I work with people liek that, and if I have nothing going on sometimes a little fight is fun. I got the letter once too, and Hey, what are they gonna do? I am not swearing, or calling names, or being inappropriate, and if people don't want to have an argument, they should not be on a political debate board.

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Registered: 04-16-2004
Thu, 07-22-2004 - 12:05pm
I agree with you, but it was still pretty foolish of Rush to say something like this, and not think that people were going to come down on him for it. This is how our society has developed. If you say something negative about an African American, it is taken as a racist comment.

Now, if the reverse were true, and say, Rush were black, and McNabb white, and he said those same comments..... I bet nothing would have been said about it.

Personally, I dont know if McNabb is overrated or not, as I dont follow football, or the Eagles closely enough to know. I have heard many people say that he is very overrated, but I dont know.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Thu, 07-22-2004 - 3:46pm

<<I agree with you, but it was still pretty foolish of Rush to say something like this, and not think that people were going to come down on him for it. >>


granted


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Thu, 07-22-2004 - 4:08pm
What about the lies coming from Bush and his merry gang of liars? Where are all of those jobs, that the Shrub's tax cut was "supposed" to create! There are still plenty of people unemployed in my state and the New York City region. Where are those nasty WMD in Iraq? How was Sadam Hussien a threat to this country? Wasn't President Bush "supposed" to be the "responsible" President. I think he's more like the know nothing President!
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Registered: 04-16-2004
Fri, 07-23-2004 - 9:27pm
Where are all the jobs????

Since Sept of 2003, here are the new jobs figures by month:

Sept: 67,000

Oct: 88,000

Nov: 83,000

Dec: 8,000

Jan: 159,000

Feb: 83,000

Mar: 353,000

Apr: 324,000

May: 235,000

Jun: 112,000

Total in the last 10 months: 1,512,000

Looks like jobs are being created. Oh, and BTW, with regards to NY, I work there (and have for over 20 years), and I know firsthand that jobs are being created in the city, and that Real Estate is going up in price as well as the economic conditions in the city are improving greatly. It is funny that you bring up New York, where the average unemployment rate was 7.26% durng the Clinton years, and now is currently at 6.2%. Looks like your theory has been debunked.

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Registered: 03-24-2004
Fri, 07-23-2004 - 10:18pm
But what type of jobs are these? Construction jobs usually last thru spring to fall, there is a new McDonald's opening up all the time, and Walgreens for that matter. So these new job creations should make the unemployment rate lower and not being held steady as it has been. So I guess as new jobs are being created, old jobs are being destroyed.Some people get lucky and others do not. Still nothing to be overly excited about in my opinion.

You would like to think a job is a job, but what about pay rates? Can someone who was a computer programmer that just got laid off be happy that he is able to get a job at McDonalds or as a construction worker? I also read that the temporary contracters are on the rise, but again lower pay wages and no insurance offered. Going from $50,000/yr to the $20-25,000 range is not something to be happy about.

I don't know, I guess I am just not seeing what it is you are seeing. As I said, if these new jobs are so great then unemployment should be going down more instead of remaining the same.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Fri, 07-23-2004 - 11:17pm

A new set of figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show HIGHER-paying jobs growing faster.


http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=208#

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Fri, 07-23-2004 - 11:17pm
I'm waiting for the inevitable F'in Kerry flip-flop. :D

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