i wonder who'd they vote for....

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Tue, 07-27-2004 - 9:04pm
"So great is my veneration of the Bible, that the earlier my children begin to read it the more confident will be my hope that they will prove useful citizens of their country and respectable members of society."

-John Quincy Adams

"The Bible is endorsed by the ages. Our civilization is built upon its words. In no other Book is there such a collection of inspired wisdom, realty and hope."

-Dwight D. Eisenhower

"That Book, sir, is the rock on which our republic rests."

-Andrew Jackson

"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to men. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this Book."

-Abraham Lincoln

"The more profoundly we study this wonderful Book, and the more closely we observe its divine precepts, the better citizens we will become and the higher will be our destiny as a nation."

-William McKinley

"Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face. The Bible can touch hearts, order minds and refresh souls."

-Ronald Reagan

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."

-George Washington

"There are a good many problems before the American people today, and before me as President, but I expect to find the solution of those problems just in the proportion that I am faithful in the study of the Word of God."

-Woodrow Wilson

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Sat, 07-31-2004 - 11:33am
The only case of Pre-emption I've seen in modern history that could hold any water (if there are others, please tell me, but they're not AMERICAN):

Israel in 1967. Faced with overwhelming evidence of attack, seeing the 'Barbarians at the gates' (a figure of speech and in no way asserts that Syrians/Egyptions are barbarians) and acting in true self defense.

When you're the best nation, the most powerful nation, the most technologically advance nation in the world: You better damn well be 100% sure when you launch a pre-emptive strike.

Israel fought and won a war that they HAD to fight.

America is fighting and losing a war, they wanted to fight.

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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:58am
Kate, I hate to tell you, but the first commandment, which you can look up in your bible if you have one is "you shall have no other gods before me" (exodus 20:3). "you shall not murder" is #6. I dunno about you, but i consider abortion murder as much as kiling in a war. the cause is unjust in the same. God sees all crimes the same size, no matter how big or little the murder is. There were also wars all throughout the bible, and many where God supported his people and sent them to battle. stop reading other peoples opinions, and read the truth in the bible, at least first.


Edited 8/3/2004 2:03 am ET ET by bush42004
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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 8:07am
Excuse me, but the commandment is not, "Thou shalt not murder." It is "Thou shalt not kill." I understand the argument that this is a mistranlation. I believe this is an argument first thought up and made public by the NRA to support their position guns are okay. The argument is that this was mistranlated from the Greek to the Latin, and from the Latin to the German, and from the German to the English. If this is true, then the whole of Western civilization is based on the mistranslation "Thou shalt not kill.", because the mistranlation goes all the way back to the Fifth Century.

I can understand the right wings' desire to rewrite the inconvenient part of the Bible, but, sorry, gotta live with it, since everything in our civilization, also according to the right wing, flows from the Bible.

And, while we're on the topic, God will judge the "quick and the dead." Since a fetus took some time to "quicken" doesn't that mean that life, at least according to the Bible, doesn't begin at conception?

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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 12:59pm
Umm... okay old dude... i receive the quote "thou shalt not murder" directly from the bible. so don't tell me that i don't have the right wording. At your old age, i would think that you know that there are many translations of the bible, all use different wording. Killing and murdering are the same thing.... i don't understand your argument... Since God planned you from the beginning, I'm pretty sure hes against abortion... nice try
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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:05pm
Killing and Murdering the SAME THING?

I am speechless at this comment. Well, not really but I respect this forum and the TOS I agreed to when I signed up to post.

But damn, killing the same as murder. Hope you're not too upset many don't agree. I have problem with this statement on many levels.

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Registered: 07-27-2004
Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:07pm
please explain your problem "go left"! when is killing not murdering?


Edited 8/3/2004 1:14 pm ET ET by bush42004
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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:13pm
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please explain your problem "go left"

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I have no problem. I do not agree that Killing is the same as MURDER. Of course, since you read my post you already know that.

More like you're fishing for flamebait, I'm not biting.

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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:16pm


Oops, is my face red! I was confirmed in the Lutheran church(I do not mean to embarrass any Lutherans by revealing this) and my pastor would be very unhappy with me if he realized that these many years later I had forgotten that "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me" - this is the way I learned it - was the first commandment. Of course he'd be very unhappy with me if he realized a lot of things about my religious beliefs today. But I do thank you for setting me straight.

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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:25pm


Ah, what translation would that be? I have to agree with old dude, I checked my 10 commandments placque and my bible (yes, I do own one) and I do not see the word murder -

So the name of the translation and the date - thanks so much

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Tue, 08-03-2004 - 1:36pm

Sticking my nose where it doesn't belong but that's never stopped me before :-)


Literally, the difference between killing and murder is that murder is a legal term to describe deliberate malice and forethought

The first key to wisdom is constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question and by questioning we arrive at the truth.  -