Kerry staring at failure in the face

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Registered: 07-05-2003
Kerry staring at failure in the face
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Thu, 07-29-2004 - 11:54pm
As the balloons misfire, Kerry and crew are pictured with fear on their faces..... the first failure of the Kerry campaign.... if he's this terrified of misfiring balloons... what the heck did he look like in combat? http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040730/capt.dnc15907300309.cvn_kerry_dnc159.jpg

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Registered: 05-21-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 10:43am
"is it possible that maybe these atrocities weren't so wide spread and these men can't comprehend what Kerry is talking about since they didn't see what he claims to have participated in?"

Have you ever spoken to a vietnam vet? One whom was in heavy combat? Well I have, my uncle served in full combat, the stories and recollections are horrid, war isn't pretty. My opinion is that many Viet. Vets don't want to recall, or can't recall because the memories are horrid.

And I would like to add, I aquaint the Swift Vets website to Michael Moore, both have agendas and both would like us to believe everything that comes out of their mouths. And that is just laughable!

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Registered: 04-08-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 10:54am
One thing I've heard about these 'Atrocities' is that many times they coulnd't be avoided. Frequently women and children participated in the killing of American soldiers, or were set up as human shields, or harbored terrorists from the other side in which many cases, their blood was on the hands of the VC and/or NVA.

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Registered: 05-21-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 11:10am
As a human I don't agree with killing any innocent lives, not in Vietnam or Iraq. But as a realist I have to understand that I wasn't in these people shoes, I wasn't in fear of my life. I would never call a solider either from Iraq or Vietnam war criminals or anything else ugly these people so like to John Kerry. Like the many soilders before John Kerry and after John Kerry they fought on behalf of us US Citizens.

My stomach is sickend when I hear the opposing arguement about John Kerry, he fought in a war that the US asked him too, just as our young soilders are doing today in Iraq.

All of those whom like to throw mud about John Kerry's military record, I ask you this...In 12 years will you do the same to someone whom may run for president, that served in Iraq? Or are your ugly words only directed to a Democratic hopeful?

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Registered: 04-08-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 11:14am
It's reserved simply for the Democratic hopeful. Is this to say that when President Muntser's up for re-election, Dems aren't going to do the same thing? We'll see.

But the Bush/Cheney campaign is being run the same way as The Bush/Quayle campaign was in 1992: Throw mud, label them a flip flopper and avoid your own record.

Well it worked real well against a:

Draft dodging, crooked businessman, war protesting (From the USSR), pot smoking, womanizing, soon to be disbarred lawyer from a small and insignificant state....

That's one of the reasons Clinton's hated so much. He was a horrible candidate yet won anyway.

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Registered: 06-17-2004
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 11:16am
Thank you, you said it much better than I did.
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Registered: 05-21-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 11:36am
Thank you.

I want to add that my POV falls the same way with Bush. I don't give a darn about what he did 34 years ago. That was 34 years ago, it was a different time and I am not going to challange a person on a desicion they made that long ago, we all change or evolve as a person. So I challange everyone on both sides, take out the military POV when discussing these two people, it was 34 years ago and what ever side your on does it really matter in the big scheme of things. We need to start looking at the present and the future, and stop looking back 34 years ago.

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Registered: 05-09-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 12:27pm
Excellent post Foxwen. The focus should be on what the leaders can do for the country in the present and the future!

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Registered: 08-31-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 12:52pm
Yes, I have spoken with Veitnam vets that saw combat. And I'm sure that there are those that don't remember or don't want to remember. Are you then suggesting that all the other swift boat personal that claim to have not seen what Kerry claims to have participated in are either lying or suffering mempory loss and only Kerry is clear in his thinking? I never said that Kerry was lying. The snopes site simply pointed out that only one of those making contrary statements to Kerry served under him. I agree, that is clear by those statements, no one presented themselve as being along side Kerry on the boat. Some were on other boats, could it be that on their boat they did not witness such events, and their recollection is as clear as Kerry's? I think it is a possibility. Maybe there are those that also were not on Kerry's boat, and different ones than these men that have spoken up that did see the same things Kerry claims, and they are just not speaking up. That I do not know.
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Registered: 07-05-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:00pm
My words are directed towards a candidate who has chosen to put his service record forward as a reason we should elect him to be commander in chief. I wish both sides would drop the subject.
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Registered: 04-08-2003
Wed, 08-04-2004 - 1:01pm
I'll say this about Kerry and his service. You gotta be TOTALLY NUTS to volunteer for the most dangerous service in the war. He did, he was over there, but asked to come back to the states for the swift boat training, totally nuts.

Of course, you gotta be nuts to want to run for President too :)

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